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Thank you Alec 13:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Thuringowacityrep, thanks for the interesting edits today, I'd still be interested in your sources, looks like good info. I've been having a bit of a look round the city council websites for more info myself. Glad you didn’t give up, keep up the good work, you’ll have Thuringowa, Queensland up to scratch in no time. Alec 12:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

thanks mate i was having a bad day when i said i would give up .... but i got a email the other day and it was full of good info about both Townsville and thuringowa plus i got a letter in the post today full of facts and history about both cities so i will go thought it all and fill in the gaps soon the big thing i want to get correct is when Thuringowa got its name i have info saying as early as 1819 but i will need to find out more about this ...if you see anything in your travels would you let me know please.....all my sources will be added in a area at the bottom of the article as soon as i have put in all my info thanks again

Hi Thuringowacityrep, glad you're having a good day today then, when working on a project to significantly update a article people seem to use the talk section of a article to get the wording right and then copy it over to the main article when it's completed and been there for a few days, eg. Talk:Cairns, Queensland#History Expansion
Also this is what I've been using for referencing (you'll need to copy these from the edit section): [1]
Then at the end of the article insert:

References

  1. ^ [insert url here including the http:// insert title of article]. Retrieved on insert date you accessed the website.
hope this helps. thanks, Alec 13:35, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Contents

[edit] tell me what is wrong with it then

well how about you tell me what needs to be fixed in your views and i will see what i can do but after reading it i think i need to place the same message at the top of the Townsville page once again im waiting for you reply

Hi Thuringowacityrep, this isn't a competition between Thuringowa residents and Townsville residents. If, after studying Wikipedia's guidlines, it is your judgement that an article such as Townsville, Queensland warrants a maintenance notice then it is your prerogative as an editor to insert one, although it might be a good idea to build up a bit more experience in Wikipedia editing first before making such a decision. The important thing is that whatever you do, you do it with the objective of improving Wikipedia not as part of some vendetta against Townsville City or other editors.
As to what changes need to be made, I suggest you either read the references or sources section for further info, or you can contact the editor who placed the maintenance notice. I've looked at the history and Mgekelly|talk (edited: 27 May 2006) is the editor you should ask info of as to how to improve the Thuringowa, Queensland article to comply with the references or sources policy. Although he will probably, in the first instance, direct you to the policy as well. Thanks Alec 07:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

thank you, I know that it isn't a competition between Thuringowa residents and Townsville residents. all I have ever done is made some minor corrections using the facts that I have here in front of me. I am all for improving this site and the articles on it but it makes it hard when it keeps getting changed ...even when I have made a change to the Townsville site that had nothing to do with Thuringowa it got changed back. I have made 2 or 3 minor edits when not logged in and I don't see how putting minor edit is a downplay, they were only minor edits I changed 1 word or added a link ..next item I will write down everything I do, I didn't know I had to. I made 1 personal attack and I told you I was sorry for that, I seen the get a life message and just so you know that wasn't me my ip address is User:58.167.149.67 or User:203.51.205.16 I have a static ip but I do have 2 computers that is why I have had the 2 ip addres's show up so I don't think there was any need for the hand in the corner. I don't have a vendetta against Townsville City or other editors I just want the correct info on the pages not misleading stuff, again everything I use is written in black and white from the JCU, BOM, Townsville city website, Thuringowa city website, AIMS, Censes, Townsville and Thuringowa library, Queensland History society, some travel websites and government pages plus others (I have copyright permission), nothing I ever add is from my Thoughts as what I think is not important here just the true facts are. please feel free to ask me anything you like...also I have a lot of history info here about Townsville that I want to add but if I do I would be removed so if you want it I can tell you and you can add it if you want Thanks again

Thuringowacityrep my sincere apologies for mistaking those anonymous edits for yourself. I have removed references to anonymous editing and ‘minor edits’ and also the level 2 civility warning. Again my apologies for the mistake, it was the background of my becoming more harsh in my comments.
Your edits will not be reverted if they are sourced and not disputed as User talk:Chacor has said. So I encourage you to place your proposed edits (with sources) yourself and see what happens, I know if I made the edits that you have made to this point they would be reverted just the same as yours have been. Your work has been controversial to this point because it seems like you are only editing Wikipedia to promote a point of view.
I am thinking of spending a bit of time over the Christmas holi’s significantly cleaning up the Townsville article (if I have time) and trying to add sources for the article, I agree with you that the Townsville article does have much referencing and is rated as such. So I would be very grateful for you to start referencing so I can also read the sources you refer to. Alec 09:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

no probs mate will work on it soon (like you... when I have time) sorry if it seems to be like my point of view but I don't want it to look that way, like I have said before all my info came from official books and website's. I will be doing the same as you but with the Thuringowa article, I will be adding a lot more info on tourist attractions, hotels, resorts, beaches, restaurants just to name a few. I'm in the process of getting copyright permission to use a map that shows Townsville city and Thuringowa city just so people will have a better idea of where Thuringowa is, it also has Ingham, Ayr, Brandon and Home Hill on it so I might put it on those town's article's (if they have one) and I will do the updates I have for Townsville and see what people think. thanks again

Hi there, just a note that you haven't included a link for the info you changed in the Cyclone Tessi section of 1999-2000 Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclone season yet, could you please add your source? Cheers, – Chacor 11:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

will do mate i have the page where i got the info saved on my computer but i am having trouble finding the webpage that i copied it from, so as soon as i find it i will add that for you, will be in the next day or so...sorry about the delay thanks for the reminder

Keep in mind that copyright has to be completely waved when put on Wikipedia which might be difficult to get Alec 11:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

no probs mate.. thanks, I have been knocked back on a few things but if they see it is put to good use they let me with conditions

Hi, you may want to read m:OTRS/permissions-en-guide. In particular, "Please especially note that "I give permission for this content to be used on Wikipedia" is not sufficient. We require an clear, affirmative statement that the copyright owner is licensing the content under the GFDL (or other GFDL-compatible license). You may have to go through multiple iterations with the requester before you get a clear statement. If you are not able to do so, do not clear the content as acceptably licensed." Be careful with any copyrighted images you upload. Just FYI. – Chacor 12:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Population inclusion

Hi thuringowacityrep, RE your editing of List of cities in Australia by population|talk either Thuringowa is included in the Townsville Statistical Division or it isn't, if it isn't then Townsville's Stat. Div. population is not 164 000 (thus saying that greater Townsville is smaller than Toowoomba, Darwin and Cairns) if it is then Thuringowa should be identified as part of that Stat. Div. Alec 01:35, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

hi mate this is correct Townsville has about 103000 people and Thuringowa has about 63000 but when I went in and made the changes a while back to show Townsville as having only 103000 and added Thuringowa down the page someone came along and changed it all back so what am I to do.....the Australian Government see's Townsville as having only 103000+ people and it see's Thuringowa as having 63000+ people as does the Townsville city website and the Thuringowa city website..so again I have tried to correct a misleading error and again it looks like that facts won't make it in this article
tell me what I need to do to allow this change....did you read down the page a bit and see that it lists Townsville with the correct population and Thuringowa with the correct population
hi, Thuringowacityrep, thanks for your reply. In this matter I think you are confusing classifications. Before making edits please look at the context of the reference to Townsville and/or Thuringowa. Thuringowa City is in the Local Government Area of Thuringowa (population of about 60K), the Townsville Statistical District (population of about 160K) and the Northern Statistical Division (population of about 205K), there is heaps of information on this stuff on the ABS website.
The changes you made in early September to show Townsville and Thuringowa as separate Statistical Districts was factually incorrect. I was the one who asked for this error to be reviewed and Bongomanrae|talk made the correction.
As I previously indicated in talk:Townsville, Queensland it is very debatable whether Thuringowa is a urban centre in its own right because there is no physical separation between the two cities, but I have not edited it so that Thuringowa is included in the Townsville Urban Centre, but Thuringowa is unquestionably in the Statistical District of Townsville, so I think you are making misleading edit to promote a POV by removing the reference to Townsville Statistical District. Thanks, Alec 09:21, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

ok thank you i've got to the stage where i might just give up i didn't remove any reference to Townsville Statistical District and if i did i didn't know it.... thanks again

[edit] continual inserting of Thuringowa references all over Wikipedia

RE: your comments at Talk:Bruce Highway

Hi Thuringowacityrep, you have spoken to Matt about this edit but no one owns any page and if you are going to edit Wikipedia you have to be prepared for it to be edited. Matt ke|talk only said that he would be fine with adding Thuringowa to the list of Cities/Towns that the Bruce passes through, not to insert references to Thuringowa throughout the article, a point I agree with.

Since you started editing your edits have been almost exclusively to insert unreferenced POVs into the Thuringowa, Queensland and Townsville, Queensland articles and also to search Wikipedia for references to Townsville for the sole purpose of adding references to Thuringowa. If you're starting to feel that Wikipedia is full of people who have a one sided POV, maybe you should start examining your involvement in Wikipedia and whether it is actually you who has the bias POV and your involvement in Wikipedia is solely to promote a POV. You were starting to head in the right direction earlier this week by inserting new information into the Thuringowa page, which I acknowledged, although you still haven't referenced them.

You say that everyone's biased because they don't live in Thuringowa, well no other editor (who isn't immediately reverted) is going round solely adding references to a city or place. You're obvious close connection to the Mayors in Townsville demonstrate to my mind your own bias in all this, and you've obviously been doing specific research to look for sources to support your preconceived views, and you still haven't been willing to reference all this so called research that you continually refer to... you really don't seem to be approaching this stuff in good faith and I'm getting tired of trying to help you work within Wikipedia instead of against it. Thanks, Alec 11:45, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

well like I said I left it out of the info box but feel that I city of this size need to be listed if you don't think so then that you POV. I have NOT been using unreferenced POVs into Thuringowa, Queensland and Townsville, Queensland articles nor have I searched Wikipedia for references to Townsville for the sole purpose of adding references to Thuringowa I have fixed up a lot of other pages in my time using this site and Thuringowa used to be fine until someone came along and made changes that were incorrect and misleading so don't dare say I was doing it for that (that's your POV)
as for the new info I entered into the Thuringowa I will reference them at the end all at the same time ...I didn't think that was a problem...and I never said that everyone is biased because they don't live in Thuringowa where did that come from? I add Thuringowa to some article's because it is left out of the facts or has something to do with the article (like the Bruce hwy).
so what if I have a close connection to the Mayor of Townsville and Thuringowa I also know the mayor of Brisbane and have had dinner with John Howard how does this make me Bias?.....now this is a good one you say that I've obviously been doing specific research to look for sources to support my preconceived views..WELL im not using my VIEWS at all only the FACTS and the research that I have done includes new info on Townsville,Thuringowa,Ayr,Longreach, Muttaburra,the Gold coast and a few others oh and I have all the reference links for you so you can go and see that what I have been saying all this time is TRUE FACT and not POV like a lot of other people here
now if your getting tired of trying to help me work within Wikipedia instead of against it stop removing the Facts ok sometimes I might have put Thuringowa in somewhere to many times but there is no need to remove every reference to it, I understand that some yes, but you must understand that it is ok for Townsville it is well known but Thuringowa isn't and it seems that Townsville is trying to take all the reference away from Thuringowa all I am doing is adding (like I have said before) The Facts not POV not what I think not what I here and not what one Mayor says
and you know in all my years of editing on here I have Never had any trouble....
well can't wait to see your reply
take care
Hi Thuringowacityrep, I didn't remove all your references to Thuringowa just where you were either grouping Thuringowa in with the other info box cities or you were repeatedly refering to Thuringowa when it was not neccessary.
RE you stating that those who are reverting your edits were biased because they don't live in Thuringowa an hour ago:
'i'm finding that Wikipedia is full of people that are very one sided i bet if you lived in Thuringowa it would be ok to add the very minor things i do' Talk:Bruce Highway
I'm getting really sick of arguing with you, I suggest we enter into Mediation for this dispute, are you agreeable to this?
Thanks, Alec 12:56, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm, The only advice that I have to offer is the basis that the general public see the Twin Cities as a single Metropolitan area. On that basis, my decisions regarding to both The Townsville article and articles about transport, corporations, places of interest and events (except for the Thuringowa page, and Transport page) will be based on that idea. I understand that Telstra and businesses will call that side of Bamford Lane, Thuringowa, but as a business, it is in their interest to do so, especially Telstra and a government department for example (especially being involved with Government, they will be obliged to say that it is Thuringowa and not Townsville).
My decisions will come under the mentality that the majority of people will not say Capalaba is part of the Redlands Shire, but as part of Brisbane (Unless a sign is right infront of their face). The same applies to Thuringowa, most people from Sydney or Melbourne wont say Willows Shoppingtown is a shopping centre in Thuringowa, they will more than likely say Townsville.
That will be my Arguement for this issue, and will possibly stay that way, but i am happy with a few minor references in certain places, not full paragraphs saying that this thing is in Thuringowa cause its a seperate LGA from Townsville, and there are signs saying it is Thuringowa, always has been in Thuringowa, always will be etc, a reference like, In Thuringowa City, but is actually located in Thuringowa, part of Thuringowa, or despite the fact that it is in Townsville, Townsville International Airport also serves Thuringowa etc. Iam happy for that to happen.
But besides that, you also gotta stop the personal attacks. --Gertzy 2:14 (UTC) 4th December 2006.

hi Alec I thought we had it resolved but I guess not. I never said that everyone was bias because the don't live in Thuringowa if you read it right I said full of people that are one sided and then I said if it might not get changed if YOU lived in Thuringowa if you want to enter into Mediation for this dispute then fine but I really think it would be easier if you and me just made contact before you change anything I add and I could let you know what I am going to add, but like you said nobody owns Wikipedia I'll leave it in your hands Thuringowacityrep


hi --Gertzy you are about the smartest person I have spoken to I see that you understand what I am doing I agree with you I may have used Thuringowa as a reference a few to many time in some articles but I will cut it back it just annoys me that Thuringowa is left out on some pages and yet it is an important part of that page and how the Townsville page has to have the Thuringowa schools and shops listed on it, all that does is mislead people im sure if I went to the Thuringowa page and said that the population is 160000+ and listed all the Townsville schools and shops as Thuringowa's I get in the S**T but it seems ok for Townsville to say what it likes oh and Banford lane is in Thuringowa and Thuringowa goes all the way to Forest Ave have a look in the PDC phone book maps also I have stoped the attacks but you have no idea how hard it is to see people come on here and remove facts to suit there POV thank you for your input Thuringowacityrep

Lol, sorry but i meant Bamford Lane because of the sign on Ross River Road right infront of Bamford lane saying City of Townsville|City of Thuringowa, determining the LGA boundries. Just one thing i'd like to note is that in the meantime, add references to Thuringowa in the Townsville Ring Road page, but dont call it as just the ring road on the Main Page, it confuses people as there are many other Ring Roads in the world that are reffered to as just the Ring Road. But besides that, everything else is fine to me. -- Gertzy 09:00 (UTC), 4th December 2006.

hi again that's ok the sign at Banford lane does confuse things a bit, just for any other readers from that sign Thuringowa goes past Forest ave until you are opposite Arinya Street on the Kirwan side of Ross River Road and Townsville is from that sign on the river side of Ross River Road (look at map 19 in the local PDC, as for the Townsville Ring Road thank you for your advice and I have only said "now known as the ring road" because that is what it says on the Mains Roads website, I will be adding a reference to this on the ring road page at the bottom. thanks again for you words of wisdom

Thuringowacityrep
Hi Thuringowacityrep, sorry for misinterpreting what you said, I took the two statements to be one in the absence of even a coma between the two. I was also under the impression that Bamford Lane was the border between the two LGAs, thanks for the info. :)
Forest Ave seems to be even more of an insignificant boarder between the two, highlighting the backwardness in them not amalgamating, and this is not just my point of view, a recent survey [1] showed that 59.9% of people felt the LGA’s should be amalgamated and only 22.4% opposed, and that’s without any concerted compaign on the issue such as there was in the early 80’s. It’s only Thuringowa City Councillors such as I suspect you are (or related in some way to one) that give a dam about defending the virtues of distinctive Thuringowaness.
I've completely lost interest over the past couple of days, and am going to disengage from Wikipedia for a while so you can vent your frustrations on someone else. I don't think anything I've said or done is wrong but Wikipedia's turned into just a waist of time for me because of this dispute. happy editing, Alec 11:16, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Alec your welcome take a good look at the map I said to look at and you will see where the boarder is, and im not what you suspect and not that it is any ones business but I am a promoter that has worked all over Australia and other parts of the world, that is how I got to know the Mayors etc.i see the survey came from the Townsville city and nobody in Thuringowa has seen or done a survey like this one so of cource Townsville people want it to become one then Towsnville will have more land more people on the rate books and it will also have all the great things that Thuringowa has built for free trust Townsville to put something like this in a survey, i would like to see one from the Thuringowa people... and like you said "I don't think anything I've said or done is wrong" well same here, you have been the only person in all my years on here that has had a problem ...yes I have had a few edits changed over time but they never removed facts. I'm sorry that you feel this way but im sure your POV will do some good somewhere hope to see you back on here some time on better terms take care now Thuringowacityrep

[edit] Willows Shoppingtown

The article lacks any references whatsoever. One example within the article as it currently stands is the claim that "Deutsche Bank's Investments arm annouced on Monday, June 21, 2006, that the centre will be going under $50-million expansion project". Where did this information come from to back up that claim? External sources of information must be provided so that information within the article can be verified. See Wikipedia:Citing sources for more information. -- Longhair\talk 01:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

hi mate the info about the Deutsche Bank's Investments arm announced on Monday, June 21, 2006" was in the Townsville bully (a local newspaper) and this can't have a ref link as to get archive news from this website costs money so if I added the link it would be dead, I will make contact with the Thuringowa city council and see if they have a link to some info or if there is any info on there website. so as soon as I have this info it will be added and I will remove the Reference tag if that is the only problem thanks for your reply Thuringowacityrep

[edit] Welcome

Welcome!

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thanks mate (Thuringowacityrep 06:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Marfans Syndrome

thats better than what i wrote ...thanks mate looks good —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thuringowacityrep (talk • contribs) 11:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

Thank you for highlighting that pneumothorax was missing on Marfan syndrome. Snowman 11:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User page

It would be good if you wrote a little about yourself on your user page. It is not a home page, but it belongs to the wiki as general information. Perhaps, take an interest in the layout of others' users pages before starting your own. Snowman 11:34, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

will do mate thats a good idea i'll get on to it soon (Thuringowacityrep 11:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine

Wise, not to put too many personal details on your user page. I note your interest in health; if you would like to see the Marfan's page developed further, you might like to vote for it on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine/Collaboration of the Week page. You do not have to be member of the project to vote. Snowman 12:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of cities by population

The facts are correct, you are just picking the wrong figures from an innapropriate source. You can't add the LGA populations to an Urban Centres list because they are not comparable, they are two different things. - Aucitypops

ok mate it's cool i will add more to be last part of the page later ....it all good no probs Thuringowacityrep 04:40, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Should work now - I screwed up the upload process at first and fixed it about 5 mins ago, but anyone who tried before then would have got an error. Apologies. Orderinchaos78 12:21, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] electoral districts

Thuringowacityrep, I agree to your proposal except with one slight difference, we will leave the way I wrote it for a week and if no one has a prob with it (other than you) it will be left that way, if my edit is contriversial then no end of Wikipedians will jump on it as they have in changing your edits. I have already made clear that I'm very happy to listen to view points other than yours (which has already been very clearly articulated) about my writing. Alec 11:05, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

if you go back and look at the history QazPlm wrote the article and yes if we leave it like it is now not many people will say it needs changing due to the fact that (as has been said) Not a lot of people know of Thuringowa and wont know that it is incorrect,like i have said this page has nothing to do with Townsville so why should it be in here (like you said when i put Thuringowa in the Townsville page) every website says Thuringowa or Townsville not Thuringowa/Townsville don't think i will give up, remember you are the new user and i have been here over 3 years and i never had a prob with anyone like i am having with you. i must say smart idea to say leave it like it is now but this is bias, it has been that way for some time so put it how i have said and see what goes on if it gets changed then fine i will forget it and leave it incorrect and misleading to make you happy but if nobody changes it then my way (the way the books and website have it) must be ok ....dont you think.... Thuringowacityrep 11:35, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please be civil

Hi. I've been away for a few weeks and am just catching up on recent edits to the Townsville and Thuringowa related articles. I've noticed a few of your recent edits to talk pages (such as [2] and [3]) which might be read as personal attacks. Please be patient with new editors and remain civil when resolving diferences of opinion. Cheers. -- Adz|talk 13:45, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sock puppetry

Hi Thuringowacityrep, your attempt at Sock puppetry at [4] is pretty obvious. Please read Wikipedia:Sock puppetry. Thanks, Alec 13:59, 20 December 2006 (UTC)


can someone tell me why it iam being told that i am now attempting Sock puppetry this site is going to the pack and all because of one new user that started all this, i have been more than fair with this user but it seem that everything i do he changes i have the facts and i ref the facts be he always see to it that my edits are rev back to his misleading or incorrect POV and i have had it ..... Thuringowacityrep 00:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi.
There was an edit last night by a new user which I thought was along the same lines as some of the Townsville/Thuringowa edits that you had been making. I thought the username was similar to your in that it displayed an affinity with Townsville/Thuringowa. Not wanting to jump to conclusions, I asked Rebecca to look into it. To specifically answer your question about why you’re being told that you’re attempting sock puppetry, perhaps you should address that question to Alec mcc or Rebecca.
Don’t let a debate over once city lead you to the conclusion that “this site is going to the pack”. Wikipedia is a big place with over 1.5 million articles. Sure, there will be disagreements occasionally but there are ways of dealing with them. Take a look at the page on staying cool. Try to talk through the issue on talk pages and avoid making threats and personal attacks. See if you can find common ground. Have a look at the dispute resolution page.
I’ve only vaguely caught up with the Townsville/Thuringowa debate, and am reluctant to weigh in as I think it would take up a lot of my time, however it might be worth seeking opinions from others, such as the WP:AWNB, or seeking a Request for comment. Finally, assuming good faith helps keep things civil. Cheers.
-- Adz|talk 05:28, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

so if a new user joins and makes a edit that looks a bit like mine them it must be me...it that what it is like here now? if i ask Alec mcc i know what he would say so i'm not even going there but i will ask Rebecca but i thought POV were something that Wiki didn't like. thanks for you advice i have tried to stay cool but evey time i change something along comes Alec mcc and changes it back he has taken it to far now but thanks Thuringowacityrep 06:11, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Note that I said I didn't want to jump to conclusions. I didn't say that the new user was a sock puppet, nor did I ever accuse you of employing sock puppetry. I simply said that the edit was suspicious and I asked for it to be checked out. I try give people the benefit of the doubt and assume good faith, and I think its fair to have things checked out before comingto conclusions. Rebecca is an admin, and before I went on wiki break, admins were able to check IP numbers, which is why I asked her to look into it. -- Adz|talk 09:42, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

why don't you take out the suburbs of Thuringowa from the Townsville page seeing as this page it all about Townsville, that would have been a better idea but i will leave it up to you because you know better than me i've only been on here for 3 years and i need help for all the new users on here (and no this is NOT a personal attack) Thuringowacityrep 12:56, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

That's funny Thuringowacityrep, I thought Townsvillerocks wasn't you... so why do you care? Alec 13:12, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

i care because they make a good point and your the one that keeps going on about the townsville page but yet you add the suburbs of Thuringowa to it maybe i should go on to the Thuringowa page and edit it to show the pop as 160000 and list all the schools of Townsville and add all the shops from Townsville to it as well and that way it will be as misleading as the Townsville page is. i just hope that if any one else makes a change to the page you don't go on at them like you have with me .... Thuringowacityrep 23:55, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Thuringowacityrep, you have initiated a formal arbitration process therefore I will not engage discussion with you any longer outside of that process. Alec 23:59, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

thats great, peace at last...i just hope when i make any edits you can leave them alone nad let some other people make up there mind.

No... I will only not be engaging you in discussion, I stand by my edits and will continue to revert your vandalism until I am asked not to by Wikipedians other than yourself. Everything that can be said has been said already and both of us completely feel we are in the right, we have also already tried compromising unsuccessfully, so your suggestion of arbitration is probably for the best. But until that process is concluded and I am told that I should be doing something different to what I am, I will continue as is. Alec 00:14, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

that what i thought you would say and how dare you call my edits vandalism that is a personal attack and your POV, and i will continue as is as well hope you dont mind Thuringowacityrep 00:38, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re Thuringowa - Beaches

Hi - the article's starting to look quite good. My only suggestion regarding the beaches bit is to get rid of "amazing" and "perfect", and find another way to say it that means that but is factual. For example an amazing beach might be amazing why - it's very scenic? it is surrounded by rainforest? it's a good swimming beach because it has a pool? I don't live there so I couldn't say why (which in itself highlights the problem of using a word such as "amazing" - living in Perth I have my own ideas about amazing beaches`), but one of the Wikipedia principles is "let the facts speak for themselves" and it's quite likely that something can be said which *communicates* that it is amazing without resorting to imprecise terms which mean different things to different people. Also, perfect implies 100%, which as we all know is never true no matter where it is applied as nothing is ever genuinely perfect. That's the only suggestions I would make. References: Wikipedia:Avoid peacock terms.

Where I'm going with this btw - I think this article has potential to become a good article at some point in the future. It is relatively complete in terms of content, but needs some work with sourcing and wording (and possibly reordering some of the sections to improve the flow). The process I would suggest is:

  1. Fix any minor or easy issues (such as above)
  2. I'll go through it one final time and offer my suggestions (without changing anything). There'll probably be quite a few.
  3. After this is done we can ask a couple of neutral editors to do the same. There's a few who are very good and have experience in getting articles to Featured status (the highest status on Wikipedia) and I'd like to hear their thoughts. While we don't commit ourselves to do everything they say, we couldn't do worse than to hear it and see if it can improve the article.
  4. Once we've addressed any issues or suggestions they have, submit it for assessment at WikiProject Australia. I'm almost certain it will come back as B-class (the one immediately below good article) with comments which we then have to address (this is slightly more imperative than the previous stage)
  5. After this, submit it to Good Article assessment. It may fail the first time - in which case the issues need to be addressed and the article resubmitted.

If we get it there, it may not be too far a jump to featured article, which appears on the main page and is something of an elite club on Wikipedia which only 39 Australian articles belong to at present. Orderinchaos78 02:14, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

hi mate thanks for your comments i did have some of the best beaches in Queensland but i got that form a mouthly mag that Thuringowa city sends out and i was unable to city this so i done a search of my computer to see what other info i had that i could cite and this was all i could find but i will keep looking or i will add more info to explain why these beaches are amazing and i will look at the perfect to see what else i can use.....i also intend to add a lot more to this page but im am waiting on some more info so that i can cite what i add. you are more than welcome to offer my suggestions and change anything you feel need to be i have never had a problem with anything you have done all your edits were great, i would love to see this page appear on the main page my whole aim on here is to list and update with true facts as i feel i have done (thought some users don't think i have) thanks heaps for your input Thuringowacityrep 02:48, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Thuringowacityrep, I'd like to add my thanks for a bloody good edit last night, it's exactly the kind of stuff I've been hoping you would focus on. I sincerely do not have any problem with Thuringowa and would also love to see the article gain Feature status.
If you are worried about my interference in your work here please don't be. I will not revert any of your edits which are positive contributions, especially on the City of Thuringowa article. Anyway I just wanted to thank you for the good edit. Alec 03:02, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

thank you for your support i must say i was a little worried ...sorry... but im very glad that you like what i have done, i have a lot more to do but i will get there slowly. thanks again for your supporting words Thuringowacityrep 04:50, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

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