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Hello, my name is Derek Snider (aka Thoric), and this is my discussion page.

Please feel free to discuss anything with me. --Thoric

Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous information in the first place.

Voltaire said, "If God created man in his Own image, man certainly returned the favour."

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[edit] Psychoactive Drug Chart


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  • To whomever made the drug chart. It is fantastic and cleared up a lot of confusion for me. Before the chart drugs were a tangled mess in my head. This did a great job of clarifying things for me, quickly and easily, can this be nominated for a Wikipedia award or something. TimL 14:14, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Nice diagram by the way. -- Solipsist 11:31, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Like I've said over in Talk:Psychoactive_drug, your chart looks pretty accurate to me. I just wanted to say that I think you've done an impressive job, in case that hadn't come across in my previous posts. Semiconscious (talk · home) 20:15, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • I just bumped into your drug chart and came here to congratulate you to your awesome work, only to see that (of course) many others had done so before. To pour some water into the wine, the only drawback is that we don't have an easy way to change charts like this. Maybe you could, for starters, add a recommendation for an editor to Image:BlankDrugChart.png? (assuming you use something better than a text editor to position the text elements) Algae 10:44, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I like the Venn diagram alot. It gives you an idea of the relationships between the different substances and examples of many subcategories and its also an original and I think more interesting and concise way of classification. This is something different, which is what I love about wikipedia - it might not always be super-accurate but there's often something you wouldn't find in a textbook, be it a little fact or diagram or whatever. There may be issues with it, but provided there's a disclaimer and changes continue to be made I don't see why the rather boring step of removing it should be taken. Wikipedia's featured articles/pictures should not only be those with their facts right or well presented, but also those that are original. This diagram deserves to be featured. Good effort 144.132.246.24 13:50, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
  • THIS IS INCREDIBLE! WHO DESIGNED THIS? Colonel Marksman 06:26, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
  • I like this Venn diagram. It is constructed by taking the effects of various classes of drugs, grouping similar drugs together, and applying a name each of these groups. Some of the fine placements are debatable, but not worth running from the mastodons, and I think the overall organization is quite impressive. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 22:24, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Just wanted to add to the chorus: your diagram is so cool. --Galaxiaad 08:33, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Psychedelics vs. dissociatives

I have commented on the categorization dispute between you and User:Jolb. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 00:00, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Commons

Did you know you could also use Commons in another language, eg. Upload-page... Puck 23:20, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edits to Psychoactive Drug

Hey Thoric! I'm sure you have it on your watchlist, but I'd just like to let you know that I made some pretty bold edits to Psychoactive drug. I felt that it needed to be expanded, so I added some subsections I felt were missing, and I reorganized it to make it more encyclopedic. I put your chart at the bottom, but I mean absolutely NO offense to you; I did that because I feel that the chart gives the most advanced, technical, esoteric information in the article... Anyway, I think the new organization is better, and I hope that you can help expand the new subsections. Jolb 22:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested Mediation

I thought that our dispute when unsettled for too long, so I decided to ask for mediation. I think it might settle it for good. Go to the page that's linked at the top of your talk page and agree to the mediation. Jolb 19:39, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

'While I agree to mediation, I thought this issue was behind us. It is not the mediation committee's job to resolve the issue, but only to help us resolve it. I fear that your efforts in this matter would be better focused on additions and refinements to articles rather than being a majordomo for the cause of your DXM community peers. The same arguments that they provide to support their views would also label amphetamines as "psychedelic". The end result would be to render the term completely meaningless... is this your intention? May I ask if Robert F. Golaszewski is one of the people behind this effort? --Thoric 19:52, 10 March 2007 (UTC)'
I don't think the issue is behind us, Thoric. I was never really convinced by your citations, as I feel all but two are three don't actually support you. My sources are more numerous, more respectable, and much more clear. Plus, I have no intention of using "psychedelic" as a term to describe any specific drugs. I think that it would be better to divorce the term from classifying drugs altogether, since psychedelic experiences have less to do with neurochemistry and more to do with self-knowledge and spirituality. Also, I'm not going to pretend that I know who Golaszewski is... :-P. He has nothing to do with my argument, as far as I know. Jolb 20:05, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
I beg to differ. I believe my sources far more respectable. Quality is more important than quantity. I also believe that the term "psychedelic drug" has a well established meaning, which you and others are attempting to obscure. I have tried to be curtious and respectful of your contributions, and have complied with all of your requests. How do I know that you are not Golaszewski himself, or that he is this "friend" of yours supplying you with references? --Thoric 20:24, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Derek, I'm Cliff. This is just like the good old days back in ADP! :) In reference to the idea that "the term 'psychedelic drug' has a well-established meaning, I'd like to quote from one of the definitions you cited against Jolb: "a rather imprecise category of drugs". I cannot fathom how you thought that quoting a source that refers to psychedelics in this manner supports your case that the term "psychedelic" has a precise meaning/application as "LSD-like." BTW, we're afraid that RFG ("Golaszewski") is dead. More later, I'm tired. TardNarc
About your sources being better, we'll let the mediator decide. I'm not Golaszewski... my name is John Hakala... I'm a senior in high school in New Jersey... do you want me to do anything to prove it to you? My friend supplying me with sources apparently already knows you (over the internet)! (I assure you, it was a conincidence. I didn't search him out or anything. We talk on a message board.) His name is Cliff Anderson, and he supposedly had an argument with you about this on Usenet a few years ago. Jolb 20:32, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
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