Talk:Thomas Playford IV

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[edit] Renumbering

An email to mail:helpdesk-l said:

Re entry for Thomas Playford IV (should be Thomas Playford V)

Please note that Sir Thomas Playford, the former premier, was not the
fourth in the line of Thomas Playfords; he was the fifth.  His great
grandfather, the 'fiery Baptist minister' (whom you mention and who came
from Barnby Dun in Yorkshire) was Thomas Playford  II.  His father, the
first Thomas Playford, lived and died in Barnby Dun. He was a foundling,
who never learned his parentage. I have done a good deal of research in
the UK on this matter, but without succeeding in tracing his ancestry.

Accordingly, the text needs to be amended for the Thomas Playfords up to
Sir Thomas Playford V. I can quote source material if you wish to check
on this.


Sincerely

Dr Phillip Playford AM

I am unsure of this, so I have refrained from changing anything yet. If someone wishes to verify this by contacting <phil.playford (at) doir.wa.gov.au> they may make the change. Alphax 13:17, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Original research. Once he convinces the South Australian parliament, he'll have convinced us. Ambi 14:28, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. In researching this article I found no reference to Sir Thomas being no 5 in the long line of Thomas Playford's. Of course, if citeable proof is made, then I'll be happy to have it changed. --Roisterer 11:49, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

The email above openly admits to having discovered this claim himself. The parliamentary website uses "IV", with no reputable sources claiming he was the fifth. When this guy convinces the parliament, he'll ahve convinced us. Ambi 11:55, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

He (IV) is, technically, Thomas Playford V. The original pastor that emigrated, Thomas I (the pastor), was the son of a Thomas Playford (a native of Yorkshire) and therefore would be II. History (and seemingly the family also) have ignored this technicality. That said, I'm still indifferent as to a change. michael ^talk 12:17, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gerrymander

From the Article.

Playford could point at the economic growth of the state as a reason for his continued election as Premier but he could also thank a gerrymander of his devising, known locally as a `Playmander', for his hold on power. The Playmander consisted of more seats being distributed in the less populated rural areas of the state (which were more likely to support the LCL) than in Adelaide and meant that he could comfortably remain in government even when Labor received a substantial majority of the popular vote.

This sounds like malapportionment to me, not Gerrymander. Both are bad of course, and I am not seeking to defend Playford, but having electorates of different sizes is called malapportionment, while gerrymandered elecotrates are usually the same size but have bizarre looking bounderies in order to have more seats with less votes (if that makes any sense). I would change it myself but I am not 100% sure that I am correct and I need sleep. Teiresias84 12:29, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

From memory, it was a mix of both. It was known as the Playmander, in any case. Rebecca 08:24, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

In my research for this and a range of related articles, the Playmander was usually referred to as a gerrymander (it may have been partly because playmander sounded better than playapportionment but that's what the research states). --Roisterer 02:37, 9 June 2006 (UTC)