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An event mentioned in this article is an October 2 selected anniversary.

Again this is full of Errors.

1. Saladin was, to begin with, an agent of the Zengid dynasty of Mosul, not the Seljuks. He himself was a Kurd.

2. more coming.

Can someone re-write or add to this article? I don't think there's enough details here to do the 3rd Crusade justice. How and when did Saladin retake Jerusalem from the Crusaders after Richard's Siege? --Phaust

I'm planning on rewriting it eventually, but it might not be for a couple of months. I'm not sure what you mean though...Richard never captured Jerusalem, so Saladin didn't take it back from him. Saladin recaptured Jerusalem in 1187. Adam Bishop 15:29, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Oh you're right, I misread a line. >_< --Phaust
Sorry, I beat you to it. I couldn't let it sit in that dilapidated form. Improve mine in whatever way you see fit. Palpatine 13:36, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Cool, thanks! Adam Bishop 16:15, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Great improvement! Phaust 05:26, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Phillip Augustus

The article makes nearly no mention of Phillip Augustus, who, according to my sources, actually did go to the third Crusade with Richard I, and then left because of quarreling with his brother. See Medieval Europe, a short History, to see what I mean. I will do more research on this subject and then make a formal change (hopefully).

Sorry, forgot to sign, Im new at this. (Polloc81)

He's mentioned as Philip II of France. I included what I know, which is that he did go, and then left. I can't find much of anything noteworthy that can't also be attributed to Richard, but if you do, feel free to add it. Palpatine 06:37, 23 October 2005 (UTC)


hey he is right about it nearly not mentioning phillip augustus! jane xxx

[edit] Plague

I am uncertain of my disambiguation of plague: due to the timing (1190) and location (not Europe), I didn't use Black Death - I'm sure this is a correct decision. The question is: is it believed (with some certainty) that it was Bubonic plague or shall we link it to the more generic Pestilence? Could someone more aware of such things please edit if necessary? Thx. John (Jwy) 04:59, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

It wasn't the Black Death, but there was bubonic plague around since at least the 6th century...unfortunately it seems like everytime someone dies of an unknown disease, they are said to have died of "plague." (Or, if it's the 1911 Britannica, "dropsy".) Adam Bishop 05:20, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
The word "pestis" was used for various infectious diseases. The diseases in the camp at Acre seem to have been malaria, typhoid, dysentery and scurvy. The main problem was dead bodies (human and animal) contaminating the water sources. Silverwhistle 18:38, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

Was appalled to see Reston's sensationalist Warriors of God and Williams's atrocious Complete Idiot's Guide to the Crusades referenced as sources. I have replaced them with some more useful texts, including translations of primary sources. I plan to do more on this page. Silverwhistle 10:34, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Much appreciated, but please be aware that we are not all so fortunate as to have immediate or cheap access to primary source material. I figured that at least citing some kind of source would be better than citing none at all. --Palpatine 06:59, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Have you tried http://gallica.bnf.fr/ ? You can download the whole of the Recueil des Historiens des Croisades, and a lot of the Rolls Series for free! A brilliantly useful resource. Silverwhistle 09:58, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Except that it is all PDF, the interface is in French, and you can't search within the texts :) Adam Bishop 15:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Since when was an interface being in French a problem for a Crusades historian? ;-D
It's a great site, when the server isn't playing up... :-( Silverwhistle 17:00, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Gasp! Appalled! -Augustulus

[edit] Entire Muslim World

Removed this sentence .Nur ud Din got control of entire Muslim World,fro m Syria to Egypt.Whoever wrote thatMuslim world was bigger than these two countries in first twenty years of Islam and here some one has chosen to mark only Egypt and Syria as entire Muslim World.... --61.5.136.6 06:26, 10 June 2006 (UTC)Naeem

[edit] Citation needed - Saladin's ghost

I've replaced the parenthetical comment below with a {{fact}} tag:

Richard returned to England in 1194 and died of an arrow wound in 1199 at the age of 42.
Shortly after Richard's departure, Saladin died, leaving behind only one piece of gold and forty-seven pieces of silver; he had given the rest away to his poor subjects. (saladin died in 1193, 6 years before richard so this is conflicting)

John (Jwy) 14:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I suspect: 1) RIchard LEFT for England in 1193, arriving 1194. 2) Saladin died in 1193 and 3) departure is NOT intended to mean Richard's departure from this world, but from the Middle East. But I'll leave to a more informed editor to handle. John (Jwy) 14:22, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, Saladin died shortly after Richard returned home, so there is no conflict there. It's true that Saladin gave away lots of money but I don't know off-hand where those specific numbers come from. Adam Bishop 16:30, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the tag by specifying the date. If its important that it was after Richard left, we need to be a bit more crafty in how we word things. John (Jwy) 18:36, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Its not really favorable to replace recorded historical facts with personal suspicious. The story of Saladin's give away of his money was just a tradition made by many other faithful Moslem leaders as a sign of faith and was recorded by many historians. Hawazen 08:09, Sun, Aug 6, 2006 (UTC)

(Apologies for not following protocol. I'm still getting used to Wiki...) Where the heck did you get this piece of trivia --->

 --->   "Guy took a drink but was forbidden to pass the goblet to Raynald, because the Muslim rule of hospitality states that one who receives food or drink is under the protection of the host."

I've never read a "Muslim Rule of hospitality" or any other nonsense as this.

This part really needs some additional research and rewording. Woof! ---

[edit] Joan

In the section on Richard and Philip's departure, it mentions that the ship carrying Richard's sister, Joan, was lost. However, in Regicide and Negotiations, it talks about negotiations to marry Joan to Alad-il. I myself do not know which one is correct, but I'm fairly certain Alad-il wouldn't have wanted to marry a drowned corpse at the bottom of the Mediterranean. --Ω 22:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

The ship was wrecked, Joanna of Sicily survived. Follow the links to her page. She died in childbirth some years later. Silverwhistle 18:35, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


The trivia about the muslim hospitality is correct, refusing him the goblet showed that he was not under saladins protection, and was therefore to be punished.

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