Talk:Thierry Henry

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Nomination date: 2007-03-27
To-do list for Talk:Thierry Henry: edit  · history  · watch  · refresh
  • Find source for Aragones' quote in Off the pitch section
  • Add info about Tel being a senior player in a very young squad
  • Find source which cites Henry as always running back to help the defence
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[edit] Userbox

Ive created a user box if anyone wants to use it to say they think Thierry Henry is the best footballer in the world :) {{Template:Henry}} .

TH14 This user thinks Thierry Henry is the best footballer in the world 
AsicsTalk 18:20, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA

this article is certainly capable of attaining GA class if references are included, formatted and the trivia section incorporated into the body. Chensiyuan 02:49, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

the whole body on his Arsenal career is in very bad shape. shall do something about it. Chensiyuan 10:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
did quite a bit of tidying up. shall stop for now. will add parts about his teammates (how they contributed to Arsenal's style of play) later, as well as expand on his Arsenal career -- a more season-by-season-esque breakdown perhaps. Chensiyuan 11:19, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
calling for more free TH images!! Chensiyuan 13:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
more things to do: (1) develop a proper section on his early life, e.g. his parents/siblings, what he did when he was young; (2) develop a proper section on his life outside football, i.e. current family and maybe his commercial endorsements/affiliations; (3) integrate the trivia section into the article, where possible; (4) maybe even a player profile section e.g. his speed, ability to provide assists, take free kicks... Chensiyuan 14:31, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
the part on Luis Aragonés is somewhat overtreated in the article, especially when most of the info did not concern Henry directly. but no harm maintaining it i suppose. i also cannot find a source on the claim that Henry won 4 Barclays player of the year award. Chensiyuan 11:24, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey Chensiyuan. Excellent job there with all those changes you did. It made it quite easy for me just to swap around some of the sections, integrate some text here and there, and add a small section at the start of the article. So anyways. I've renamed a bunch of headers, so the article looks quite different now - but the content is quite similar. Just more streamlined, really. What else do you think could be improved? -GilbertoSilvaFan 17:57, 24 March 2007 (UTC) P.S. I second your call for more images :-)
great job, GilbertoSilvaFan. currently i think the parts which also require help are those on his play/leadership/complementary team-mates etc., maybe some mention of him being a leader of a mostly young squad, more on his personal/off the pitch life...
Follow-up: I think the main thing missing from the article now is a 'Player profile' or 'Style of play' section. Praise for Henry's style of play should be extremely easy to source, since so many journalists have done this. Documenting criticism of Tel will be a tricky business though, since a) not many people do it, and b) if the section doesn't show criticism for Henry, it will seem NPOV.
there used to be a section in this article "dedicated" to Henry's failure to score in finals or something like that. however, the source was some blog. that said, if we are pursuing this line, another more reliable source should be findable.
The other thing which needs to be done is another copy edit on the entire Biography section. I'm not sure how well the paragraphs transition into each other. I'll set up a to-do box for this article so that other people (i.e. you, Chensiyuan) can add to it, and we can all pending tasks organised. Fo' real. -GilbertoSilvaFan 19:08, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
will do, thanks once again. Chensiyuan 06:33, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I've made a bunch of changes today. I won't try to list them all here, since there have been quite a few. One thing I've spent quite a bit of time trying to do though is find a source which cites Aragones' comments about Henry. I figued that if I searched for him the ball, and then show that black little, I'd find a reliable source. Alas, the only results returned are small sites and blogs quoting this article. I'm pretty sure I remember that quote being in the papers at the time of the incident, but if we can't find a proper source, the quote will have to be removed and the paragraph reworded.

i tried searching under black s*** and got a couple. this and this, would that suffice?
for the time being i've got ahead to reference the remark, but i've trimmed down the full remark to merely Aragones referring to TH as "black shit". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chensiyuan (talk • contribs) 09:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC).
Good job! That seems fine -GilbertoSilvaFan 12:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

So yeah. Other than that, the only thing left to do in the todo box is adding info about Tel being senior figure to lots of young players. Once I do that tomorrow, I'll ask a bunch of people to look at the article to see what's missing from it, or how it can be improved. Maybe a PR or GA nomination. -GilbertoSilvaFan 01:12, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

another thing about his play is his willingness to run back and defend methinks.

I'll try to find a source for this. No doubt Andy Gray has written about it in some obscure sky sports article. -GilbertoSilvaFan 12:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

yup that would be a good idea. i shall do a few re-reads and tweaks in the process. thanks for your help as always, Chensiyuan 03:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Good work with all those tweaks, if I had to sit down and fix all those mistakes I'd go mental. -GilbertoSilvaFan 12:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Perspective/POV

i feel somewhere in the lead it should be mentioned TH is regarded by many as one of the best players in the world, at least for his generation.

i'm fully aware of course the implications of including such statements (seen the NPOV lawyering explode countless times).

but my point is this. first, that statement will be supportable by many reliable sources. second, it provides a real perspective on TH. critics of POV often say let the article speak for itself, viz. either examining the accolades and championships the player has won.

but a player's greatness is not necessarily measured by the number of things he won. in TH's case, okay so we know he won the WC, the EURO, the EPL etc. but so? what does all this mean to the ordinary reader who serves as the benchmark? there are quite a few people who have done the same but would not be regarded as one of the best in the world. in other words, the TH article would patently appear as merely another soccer player article.

so naysayers might say, what's wrong with that. it's wrong not because i think he's good, but him being perceived widely as great is surely characteristic of him. we speak of the Peles, Maradonas and Zidanes. non-football fans would know of these people. TH is right up there too, not because i say so, but because the perception exists, and this is verifiable. i'm not asserting as a fact he is one of the best, i'm asserting it is a fact he is perceived as one. ergo, it will also mean on many levels there is some truth to that perception, inasmuch as that is irrelevant and completely independent of my suggestion that a statement that TH is regarded as one of the best can be considered to be incorporated. Chensiyuan 08:41, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I totally agree. I'll get started with finding a few sources to back up a "one of the best players in the world" sentence in the lead. -GilbertoSilvaFan 09:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, how's that? I think maybe it needs a slight rewording. Anyway, good suggestion. The fact that Tel went from relative obscurity to being one of the best in the world is a massive part of his career. To not mention it would be more of a crime of uncomprehensiveness than NPOV. -GilbertoSilvaFan 09:58, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
good job! well i suppose it's between what we have now versus something like "regarded by many as one of the best in the world". we'd keep this now, and see people react to it. Chensiyuan 20:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
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