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Contents 1 You may want to help me with this... 2 Note mk. 2 3 About the article "Iberian" 4 Colonialism 5 Population genetics 6 Vote 7 Portuguese People 8 Unspecified source for Image:Vasco da Gama.jpg 9 Image copyright problem with Image:Vasco da Gama.jpg 10 Veritas-spanish Article. 11 luso-islamic war 12 Tradução do latim 13 Falcata 14 WikiProject tags 15 Abaixo os escuteiros 16 AMO-TE 17 Ophiussa 18 Tomé Pires 19 ¡Bienvenido(a)! 20 Thank you 21 Welcome? 22 Thanks... 23 eh 24 Orge 25 Jorge Sampaio 26 AfD nomination of Maximus (rapper) 27 Prehistoric Iberia

[edit] You may want to help me with this...

As you are member of the wikiproject Spain and I've seen that you have collaborated in many articles of history about the Iberian Peninsula, Portugal, etc, you may be interested on helping me to reform the article Hispanic. My main goal is to end with the idea that "hispanic" is equivalent to "south american", so I am introducing a few sections to the article Hispanic, to explain the great missunderstanding about talking of "hispanic" as a synonym of castilian-speaking (forgetting the basques, portugueses, catalans, etc), and I'm also adding a small section to explain the history of Hispania from its roman times, etc. So you may wanna extend some section. I'm doing it because I couldn't suffer the fact that the 90% of the article Hispanic was talking about the so-called latinos of the U.S. and so on, while the word "catalan" just appeared once. Onofre Bouvila 22:37, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Note mk. 2

Hi there! Who can I ask about editing my contributions pages, since they have removed some of them? Thx! Cercia (aka Novice Wikipedian).

Hello Cercia! What do you mean "editing my contributions pages, since they have removed some of them"? I am not really understanding what you mean... The Ogre 15:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I mean they removed some of my edits that I made (reset the article) and I get confused when I look at the contributions list and it still says that I made an edit. Is there a way I can rearrange the logs on a special page? Cercia (aka Novice Wikipedian).

Well... no! There is no way to rearrange the logs on a special page. You did made the edits! So, they have to be logged, independently of the fact that your edits may have been reverted. The Ogre 15:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About the article "Iberian"

I've reformed the Iberians article, and added quite a lot of information, pictures, restructurated the sections, etc. Visit the post I created at its talk page if you wish.

More specifically, I'm here because I've seen that you have created lots of articles about ancient Iberian tribes (Ilergetes, Cassetani, etc). If you could group them all (also the Celtiberian tribes, there are lots of stub-articles about them, dunno if it was you too who created them), so if you could group them all, and put them all in a category called like "Ancient Iberian Tribes" or something like that, and also link them all from the Iberians article, it would be kinda cool.

I've tryed to do it, but there are too many article-stubs about these ancient tribes and I probably miss them all. But as you've created the articles, I bet you'll be able to do it.

Thanks.

Onofre Bouvila 21:56, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Colonialism

Hello! I removed this info because I created The Roman Catholic Church and Colonialism article where it is included. Because of the length of colonialism, I believed this was necessary for editorial consensus. However, I am rather of your POV that it should be included anyway, and the "Church & Colonialism" article improved and extended. Lapaz 16:38, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Ah! Okay, then. Good job! The Ogre 17:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. You might be interested in voting against deletion of the sub-articles concerning First & Second Wave of colonization. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The first European colonization wave (15th century-19th century) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Second European colonization wave (19th-20th century). Cheers! Lapaz 14:31, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Population genetics

This might be of some interest. Velho 23:27, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vote

Hi Fellow-WikiPedian, This thing came up: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Where Troy Once Stood. Would you like to vote? Antiphus 20:20, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portuguese People

Caro Peço-lhe desculpa pela maneira como me dirigi a si no meu primeiro post.E agradeço-lhe a mensagem que me enviou. No fundo, partilhamos o mesmo ponto de vista.No entanto, acredito que a influencia negra na populaçao é bastante superior á sofrida em qualquer outro pais europeu,sendo a mistura entre culturas algo que define a cultura portuguesa. Lembre-se da nossa história,dar novos mundos ao mundo, tudo isso e etc,a expansão maritima está profundamente marcada na cultura do povo portugues, é isso que os distingue dos outros europeus.se não está, deveria estar. Foi por isso que insisto tanto em se manter lá a influencia africana. De resto, ainda nos nossos dias, se viajar pelas regiões de Alcacer do Sal e Coruche, bem sabe que a influencia africana nessas populaçoes é mais que evidente ao "olho nu". Cumprimentos 00:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)Vieirasimoes

[edit] Unspecified source for Image:Vasco da Gama.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Vasco da Gama.jpg. I notice the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this file yourself, then there needs to be a justification explaining why we have the right to use it on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you did not create the file yourself, then you need to specify where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

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[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Vasco da Gama.jpg

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Please specify the copyright information and source on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me, or ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Durin 19:34, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Veritas-spanish Article.

Some people continue erasing verifiable and up-dated information in the Spanish People's article about recently published books pointing to a strong link between Iberia and Atlantic Europe. Those books are Blood of the Isles, by Bryan Sykes, Origins of Britons, by Stephen Oppenheimer and Deep Ancestry, by Spencer Wells. What do you think of it? Veritas et Severitas 17:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, user Burgass has done it again. Just look at this user's constant and strange behaviour in this article. Veritas et Severitas 18:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Please look at Burgass' attitude in the Spanish article. Veritas et Severitas 20:02, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] luso-islamic war

Hi ogre

You are right in everything you asked and said:

1 - it is about the campaigns of Afonso de Albuquerque which I'll call Luso-Islamic War.

2 - The info is wrong because I just copied the infobox of my "dutch-portuguese war" and planed to chnage the details.

Unfortunately I haven't had the time.

[edit] Tradução do latim

Hoje, não, porra. Mesmo depois, confesso que ainda me dará um bocado de trabalho...
Sabes que isto de ler a língua das línguas não é para todos (os dias)... Velho 02:23, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Falcata

Hey, Ogre, what do you think we should do about Señor Usuario Anonimo's changes to falcata? For the reasons I explained on the talk page I am in favor of just reverting, possibly incorporating some of the better stuff from the Spanish article he was translating afterwards. But I don't want to do so without some sort of consensus, for obvious reasons. --Iustinus 21:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

If he's not Spanish, but claimed to be... um... that's really weird! --Iustinus 21:45, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Man, this guy is really getting on my nerves. I don't understand why he thinks he needs to be so nasty either. --Iustinus 01:35, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey, Mr. Ogre, I got really worked up about talk:falcata yesterday, so I've kind of been avoiding the page. Is Anonymous still being pugnacious, intractable, and accusatory, or has he come around? If not... well, did I understand correctly that you're portuguese? Maybe as a fellow Iberian you can convince him, since he seems to thing everyone else is not worth taking seriously. --Iustinus 02:07, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Just went to look at the talk page, finally. WHAT THE HELL? How on earth can I even deal with such a person?? --Iustinus 02:12, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject tags

Your comment:

Hello EspañaViva! Thanks for removing WikiProject Afghanistan from some pages (there's still more...). I really could not understand why it tagged the articles on Iberian Caliphs! But tell me, why did you remove the tag of WikiProject Spain from the article Míl Espáine? Don't you think that it also deals with Spain, even if it is not very high in the importance scale? Hope to hear from you! Hasta luego. The Ogre 15:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I removed it probably because I'm being a touch over-sensitive! If you think it belongs, please do re-add it! I see that you're a member of WikiProject Portugal, but you're being very helpful in adding the WikiProject Spain tag to the caliphs . . . thank you! Would you like to join WikiProject Spain as well? ;) PS: I see what you mean about there being more Afghan tags on the caliphs! EspanaViva 15:52, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, also, I've got to ask you . . . are you using a bot to add all those WikiProject Portugal tags, or are you doing those manually! (The Afghan tags all showed because a bot added those tags too broadly). EspanaViva 15:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Your comment:

But my aim is one of precision and balance. In that sense, I do struggle for a NPoV on Portugal and Spain, amongst others, that does justice to its history and reality. Do you still think I should join?

Mas naturalmente, senhor, we would be delighted if you would join WikiProject Spain! You are absolutely right that there is a high degree of overlap on many issues.

Plus you will get a front-row seat on our attempt to use a bot to add the WikiProject tag to articles in categories related to the Project. All the best, EspanaViva 20:01, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Abaixo os escuteiros

Pá, vai a Talk:Scouting aderir ao que eu escrevi! Há um featured article só a dizer bem dos fascistas dos escuteiros! Irra!! Velho 02:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AMO-TE

AMO-TE —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.193.84.127 (talk) 18:41, 9 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Ophiussa

I did see the developments on talk:falcata, so hopefully he'll stay calm now. It's funny you should come to me with some Latin: a friend of mine, seeing the research work you'd done on Fulgosio was impressed, and thought you would be a good candidate for la: if you know some Latin ;) Anyway, now's a bad time, but I'll take a look at your quote when I get home. --Iustinus 21:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, some changes are needed:

Post illa rursum quae supra fati sumus,

magnus patescit aequoris fusi sinus

Ophiussam ad usque. rursum ab huius litore

internum ad aequor, qua mare insinuare se

dixi ante terris, quodque Sardum nuncupant,

septem dierum tenditur pediti via.

Ophiussa porro tanta panditur latus

quantam iacere Pelopis audis insulam

Graiorum in agro. haec dicta primo Oestrymnis est

locos et arva Oestrymnicis habitantibus,

post multa serpens effugavit incolas

vacuamque glaebam nominis fecit sui.

(Note also that there appears to be disagreement over whether Ophius(s)a should be spelled with one s or two)

Translation:

Back after the places we spoke of above, there opens a great bay filled with water, all the way to Ophiussa. Back from the shore of this place, to the inland water, through which I said before that the sea insinuates itself through the land, and which they call Sardum, the journey extends for seven days on foot. Ophiusa extends its side, being as large as you hear the Island of Pelops lying in the territory of the Greeks is. This land was originally called Oestrymnis by those who inhabited the Oestrymnian countryside and region, much later the serpent chased away the inhabitants and gave the now empty land its name.

The point is that ὄφις (ophis) means "snake" in Greek.

This translation may need some editing, but it should do for now, I hope.

--Iustinus 01:02, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, my friend's point was that over at la: we really value attention to primary sources. You see, we try not to invent new Latin words if we can help it, and between the scientists of the renaissance, Historians, Ethnographers, the crazy people who write in Latin to this day, and so on, virtually everything has already been described in Latin, you just have to know where to look. Not everyone is careful or dedicated about this. In theory at least you don't have to know Latin to help: some of our most helpful users actually work behind the scenes. So it is at least possible you could be useful, and enjoy yourself. Whatever you like.

I did go to the pages you quoted me on and modified the footnotes. Eventually I'll probably need to improve my translation too.

I don't read Portuguese very well at all, which is odd, because I have no problem with Spanish, and can also read French and Italian. But given that I can read Latin, it might be fun to practice reading portuguese by means of your list ;)

--Iustinus 19:03, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tomé Pires

You are correct. I have moved this page. Thanks for pointing it out. My source also says Pires so it 100% my fault. Must be 'old age' on my behalf. It makes sense, Pires is a much more successful google search too! thanks Merbabu 01:04, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ¡Bienvenido(a)!

¡Bienvenido(a) to WikiProject Spain! We look forward to your contributions. If you already have a project in mind, please feel free to contribute. If you would like a suggestion, please contact me on my discussion page. Again, welcome! EspanaViva 18:46, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

I appreciate your kind note.--Brownlee 23:34, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome?

Só um gajo muito avariado é que anda a espalhar welcomes à bruta por todo o lado.... Velho 20:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks...

for the welcome message! omes 20:24, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] eh

Listen guy, give me a break here. I know alot of Portuguese people, and I only know one who has MIXED blonde shades. No one in Portugal has lightest blodne shades seen in northern Europe and there is now ay that 20% of the whole country has blonde hair ? Have yo uever been there ? There is NO way the country has that much blondes and I would bet my life on that. England barely has that percentage even though the majority of people there are of pale complexion. DOn't be riduloucs. The website you referenced is a joke. Portugal has one of the highest percetnages of darker complexions in all of Europe, and the smallest in lighter complexions.

[edit] Orge

Dear Orge, thank you very much for you warm welcome :) I also edit on Basque Wikipedia. Again thank you! Euskera 15:52, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jorge Sampaio

I'm re-opening up your concerns of Jorge Sampaio being on a list of Jews. Since he says he's not one, WP:BLP supports your position. If you want to continue the debate please comment on it. Mehmeda 02:50, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Maximus (rapper)

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[edit] Prehistoric Iberia

The Ogre,

Thanks for your interest in my proposal. I have responded on the Talk page. Jimp 20:38, 28 March 2007 (UTC)