User talk:The Behnam

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[edit] Hey Behnam

We had an awkward discussion in RFCN regarding the fart guy [1]. You were of course right, I should have disallowed in the first place, because that particular excretory function (fart) may be offensive. However, my point about other excretory functions which are not offensive, still stands. There was no OR involved; as I linked both articles (tears and sweat). I think we should reword the policy to allow common sense come into play for such names. I propose we reword "are included" to "may include". The other option would be to list the offensive excretory functions only (which I find WP:CREEPy, but would also work). What do you think? NikoSilver 11:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes I think it is worth discussion. It needs clarification; obviously 'fart' is bad and 'breath' is alright. My preliminary suggestion actually sides with the 'creep' option, but I'm willing to consider others. But maybe you can hold off until that troll is gone? If you look at the talk pages I think you will see what I mean. I'm afraid our attempt at resolving the matter would be disrupted by him. Tell me what you think. The Behnam 11:10, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
In defense of the 'creep' idea, I think that it is important for us to actually get the specifics forbidden in this case. So many people showed up pretending 'fart' is not an offensive or rude word in English that it really made a mockery of the RFCN. Perhaps if we get it to be explicitly worded it can't happen again. The Behnam 11:14, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
In fact, looking at the 'non-creepy' instruction properties at WP:CREEP, it appears that specifying in this case will prevent problems and actually agree with those three rules entirely. But maybe I misinterpret. The Behnam 11:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The fart is only one aspect of a greater problem, I'm afraid. A similar example would be that of "TortureIsWrong", which is a "real world violent action" but may be interpreted as non-offensive (in my view at least -and regardless of other issues which you note). Same goes for the rest of the bulleted list there:
  • Acceptable/debatable excretory IMO: Sweat, tears etc (well -not always, but depending on context)
  • Acceptable/debatable violent actions: TortureIsWrong, NoMoreDeath...
  • Acceptable/debatable illness: IgotTheFlu, NoChickenPops... (if you disagree with a particular example don't make an issue, I'm sure we can think of more)
I'm afraid that list goes on and on in virtually all ban-able examples, and I still believe that our best defense is simple: Common Sense. However, I will still endorse the ..."creepy" solution :-), if it is comprehensive, but if something is specified in violation of 'common sense' I still think we should allow it in practice. I also think we should disallow something that is not specified which again we find offensive with our common sense. What do you think? NikoSilver 12:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm about to go so I'll be more thorough later, but I was thinking more on the excretory point just specifying. Basically, things like 'fart' and 'vomit' don't have acceptable forms. I mean, we will never allow User:FartingIsWrong or its vomit/upchuck equivalent. I am thinking that such things could be specified, though I wonder about things like hurl, which I believe is a vomit synonym but may have reasonable acceptable meanings depending upon context. I'll get back to you later. The Behnam 12:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

      • Is there actually a human on the planet who thinks farting is wrong? Or that vomiting is wrong? Sometimes both actions are involuntary, sometimes both are necessary. Cheers. TortureIsWrong 07:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
        • I dunno, there could be such a person. The point is that there is no 'goodness' to such names that will overshadow the policy, unlike with your name. I didn't vote on your name because of the moral conflict, and plenty voted 'allow' just because they know the statement is true and good. The Behnam 08:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TIW to AN

Behnam, see the conversation that was moved from here to here. Cascadia TALK| HISTORY 19:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR

I believe you have broken the 3RR on the article 300 (film). Agha Nader 22:56, 3 April 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader

I'll revert myself if possible. The Behnam 23:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
At second glance that last one appears to be spam (a guy promoting his own article) so I'm inclined to think that it doesn't qualify under 3RR. The Behnam 23:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bolding

There is no policy whatsoever to prevent editors from bolding their comments for effect. The fact remains that they ignore the fact that it is a fictional work and the film makers have acknowledged this. If Arcayne doesn't like the bolding, tough luck. They cannot ignore the facts. Khorshid 04:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I've crossed the bolding because it is generally fine and I myself use it on occasion. I do maintain that YELLING should be avoided. See your talk. The Behnam 04:39, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cease your stalking

It's clear that you're stalking me on several articles you've never edited or shown interest in, such as Koryun or Persian gulf. I'm asking you stop this harassment immediately, before I take any further action. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ArmenianJoe (talk • contribs) 07:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC).


That is quite an accusation there! Contribs pages are public, and it is perfectly acceptable to see what certain users, such as those who revert blindly and shirk discussion, are up to. This helps catch poor editing elsewhere, such as more blind reverts at Koryun. As far as Persian Gulf goes, I saw that the page is protected and realized that this is because they are ignoring WP:LEAD. Policies and guidelines are always a good place to start. I quote the ArbCom decision mentioned in WP:STALK,

"It is not acceptable to stalk another editor who is editing in good faith. (Note that everyone is expected to assume good faith in the absence of definite evidence to the contrary.) Once an editor has given reason to suspect bad faith, monitoring is appropriate, but constantly nit-picking is always a violation of required courtesy."

I suspect bad faith because you blindly reverted and did not constructively discuss the dispute. You demonstrated that you do not care about actually cooperating with other editors to work out disagreements and that you prefer to blindly revert articles. With this in mind I looked at some of your contribs to see if you did the same elsewhere, and indeed, I found you doing so at Koryun. You were taking out cited information without any real argument whatsoever, simply claiming that a modern source (unnamed) shows that those people are wrong. I asked you to support your claim by adding information instead, but you did not heed this advice. Such behavior is, to quote you, "contrary to the collaborative spirit of wikipedia, where users are acquired to reach consensus with opposing parties." So, I suggest you retract your silly accusation and improve your editing habits instead, or else you may be the one facing a report. I rest my case. The Behnam 07:21, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked

As warned, further reverting at Azerbaijan (Iran) will be met with blocks. Furthermore, you've been edit warring at Koryun and 300 (film). Please use your period off to read WP:DR and take it to heart. Dmcdevit·t 07:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I didn't do anything wrong at Koryun or 300 (film), so those should not be cited as reasons. Apparently 'one revert alone' was what you meant with your warning. Why wouldn't you just protect the article then, rather then setting a trap? It is silly to make it so only changes can be made, and the cannot be undone regardless of the circumstances. Also, Why don't you take more action against ArmenianJoe (talk • contribs) who vandalized my user page twice [2][3]? This is after he removed sourced information from Koryun for no good reason. After that he undid a number of legitimate edits of mine at several pages. See [4][5][6]. He even claimed in that last one that I removed cited information, even though there were no citations! He should receive a much longer block than a mere 24hrs that was given his edit at Iranian Azerbaijan. Please, protect that article. I interpreted that warning as something of a 1RR. Had I realized its true severity I definitely would not have edited it, but seriously why not just protect it again? I'd also like it if you could undo ArmenianJoe's reversion of my legitimate edits at those other articles. Thanks and please keep me informed as I am now very confused. And of course I am always happy to be unblocked, but I don't think you will. :) The Behnam 07:51, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I see your comments to ArmenianJoe. Thanks for relaying him that information. I was just trying to figure out how to report his behavior when I got blocked. For future reference, should that kind of thing go to AIV or ANI? Obviously I needed him to be dealt with quickly since he was vandalizing my page and undoing legitimate edits, so I was leaning towards AIV. But really don't know. Thank you in advance for feedback. The Behnam 07:53, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Personally, I don't see any reason to think he is being dishonest about it being a mistake; you might have said something on histalk page to get his attention. In any case, there was smething wrong with your edits to Koryun. Edit warring is prohibited, and if you think it is only a problem once you get to 4 reverts in 24 hours, you would be very mistaken. Rather, you should always engage in polite discussion when you encounter a conflict, and ask for helo when that doesn't work. And no, I won't carry on your content battles for you. Dmcdevit·t 08:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Dishonest about what mistake? I'm confused. I see now. The Behnam 08:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, what exactly am I supposed to do about Azerbaijan (Iran)? My main dispute was over using non-English conventions like "Azar-". Despite my extensive arguing nothing happened. I pointed out that "Azar-" words don't appear in dictionaries, we compared Google searches and found that the "Azer-" form is favored there as well, etc. But nothing happened because the other users didn't accept any of the proof as meaningful, even though English dictionaries generally contain words that are English and do not contain words that are not English. What am I supposed to do if the arguments are disregarded for no good reason? The Behnam 08:03, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, I object to your statement that I stalked him. I see something to this effect on his page, starting "Simply put". Maybe I misunderstand you? If you don't agree with my justification for monitoring him above, please tell me because I don't want to be considered guilty of harassment, especially since I wasn't aiming to harass. The Behnam 08:10, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Please read WP:DR as a suggested. It talks about dispute resolution from avoidance and discussion all the way to arbitration. It sounds like what you are looking for is some mediation. Dmcdevit·t 08:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the advice. Can you protect that page instead of the current setup? There is no difference between protection and the current setup except that the current setup allows information to be added but never removed. Furthermore, the 'block' aspect not only leads to an excess of blocks, but also promotes the use of sockpuppets to do reverts (like today's anon). Protection seems a much better setup to force discussion. The Behnam 08:21, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
In light of your recent violation of 3RR, and being blocked, I hope you have time to ponder about your civility. Your ill-considered accusation, "Much of your presence on WP, including your entry into WP, seems dedicated to opposing me on various fronts", is in violation of WP:CIV. It was only yesterday when you admonished me about my tone. Please, assume good faith, and do not try to discredit my work at Wikipedia; I will not tolerate it. Agha Nader 23:13, 4 April 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader
Technically I got blocked for a weird "0RR violation" at Azerbaijan (Iran); I'm not sure why they wrote 24hr there quite some time later as that wasn't the actual reason for my block. Anyway I do not consider my accusation ill-considered and I do not need your threats on my talk page either. I consider your message here just another part of the problem. Please measure your response carefully as I have decided over these last few days to value WP:DNFT. Have a good day. The Behnam 09:32, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
I am truly sorry if I appeared threatening, that was not my goal. I just wanted to say that I do not appreciate ill-considered accusations, and will not tolerate them. Furthermore, I do not wish to oppose your edits, as I find the great majority of them to be good. Although I nominated you for being blocked, it was only because I felt you violated 3RR. As you remember, I agreed with you about Patchouli's POV edits. To think I oppose you for the sake of opposing you is not fair. Agha Nader 19:32, 5 April 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader

[edit] Googoosh

You have blacklisted my link to the effect that I cannot contribute to the Googoosh article. I was going to provide references when I was impulsively blocked. Actually there was an unregistered user who kept reverting the changes I made and I requested he be banned, but unfortunately you listed me.NeutralWriter 20:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I have taken a look at Googoosh, and have made some comments in the Talk Page. Maybe give me some feedback? Arcayne 11:44, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I was re-writing the article to wikipedia standards and as I was so doing, some un-registered user kept reverting back the changes. So I requested he be banned, and somehow they banned me. I don't know how to remove myself from being blacklisted.NeutralWriter 16:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)NeutralWriter

  • Hi there. I was requested to take a look at this issue. The first point I'd like to note is that NeutralWriter is neither blocked nor banned from editing [7]. The edits by User:The Behnam from March 31 seem to be reasonable and are mostly associated with removing peacock terms from the article. I note, however, that an anonymous editor reverted your changes twice [8] [9] and both times, it was reverted. Since then, User:The Behnam came along and did some cleanup work. Also, the article is neither semi- nor fully-protected at this time. Can you be a little more specific as to how you're being blocked from contributing? - Alison☺ 03:05, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Ok - I found the problem!! The URL "googoosh dot cjb dot net" is on the Blacklist. This is being caused by the URL itself being blacklisted by the Wikimedia software and nothing to do with any specific editor. Here's the full list. While I was in there, I noticed on the talk page that you guys are going for GA, so by way of a gift, I switched all inlinked URLs into proper cites and added a reflist section. Hope you don't mind :) - Alison☺ 05:55, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Religious conversion and terrorism

An editor has nominated Religious conversion and terrorism, an article on which you have worked or that you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not"). Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Religious conversion and terrorism and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you. PelleSmith 12:29, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bold text

You have admonished user Arcayne for removing Khorshid's bold text before. He has removed my bold text as well. I used the bold text in his talk page, you can see it in the history. Is your opinion the same this time? Agha Nader 19:32, 5 April 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader

I'll tell him about it again. I told him before that bold text is not usually yelling but ALL CAPS is, and he seemed to understand, so I don't know why he continues to get rid of things because of that. Of course, he is entitled to do what he wants with his talk page, and I suppose if he removes any message that uses 'bold' because he finds it offensive, he may be OK to do so, but that is kind of silly IMO. Maybe you can just not use bold text for now, and perhaps he will then try to answer the question? The Behnam 19:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your input. Agha Nader 19:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader

[edit] Behnam

Whats the fuss Baradar??? Citation is not needed when all you have to do is to read about phrates IV. You see Persia never had any bad feelings towards the greeks despite devastating assaults by Alex. Sounds familiar today? hmmm. The message is priceless. Think about it, even back then. Whats the fuss just let it be. Cyrus111

Ok Baradar, Done.Cyrus111

Allright, Ill see what I can do later on, but please if you also find it go ahead

[edit] Your Fraudulent comment on my Talk page

Resolved ResolvedThe Behnam 07:00, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

WHO ARE YOU Sir? I am wondering why you like to create disputes between people who have no involvment with you in ANY way. Please explain yourself and don't revert my edits again or I will have to report you to the admins. Thanks. SSZ 05:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I have the same problem with Iran's talk page now. May be a computer bug ??(I certainly NEVER vandalized the page, or ANY other page for that matter) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SSZ (talk • contribs) 05:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC).
Sir, Again I am not removing other people's edit and please explain WHY you need to feed a troll.SSZ 06:57, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

LAST WARNING: Please do NOT revert my edit on Iran's talk page. I have nothing to explain to you. If Zereshk wants to know more about it, he will ask me himself. Thank you for your (apparent) concern.SSZ 05:15, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Who are you? and what do you want? What is your objective in doing that?SSZ 05:15, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

As I've noted on your talk page, this isn't about the Zereshk situation. I was simply restoring my post. I warned you for removing Zereshk's post but I never reverted it. The Behnam 05:19, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
The Behman: Again, I did not put that "green page" in place of the talk page of Iran (I said it was a computer bug to the best of my knowledge and tried to revert this myself, unsucessfully, after you commenting on my talk page today (since you were the last person to edit AFTER me and the page looked fine when I left it). I had no choice but to revert in order to get rid of that "green page" that replaced the entire talk page (Yes, the earlier comments to Zereshk on Iran's talk page was from ME also, to answer your question).

Second, and most importantly: I do not appreciate when you mind other people's business (MINE in that case). Zereshk has eyes to see by himslef. He is a regular editor on Wikipedia and I left a comment for HIM to see on the Iran's talk history page for that purpose (at the SAME time when I removed his question, which unduly implicated me). Again, I have no further explanations to give YOU. Good bye!SSZ 05:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

What am I supposed to take out of such an incoherent statement? That doesn't clear things up at all. The Behnam 05:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
The issue is resolved and I see no reason to continue modifying this messy section. The Behnam 07:00, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Iran talk page font problem

Greetings! See if that fixed it for you. All those font tags were confusing so I just added an extra </font> at the end of Zereshk's top comment. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 05:52, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please check translation of "isreaL" in arabic

Translations are not OR. Zeq 06:12, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

not farsi but arabic. Zeq 06:25, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

check "isril" , izril, or "isreal" - there could be many ways to write it in roman letters. Translations are not OR. Zeq 06:32, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

please check with an arrabic speaker. The fact that you typed something into a dictionary sounds like OR to me so I can not accept it as an argument to remove a translation. Zeq 06:36, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I changed the text left the translation. please check before you make changes. Zeq 06:40, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I imply nothing just provided a translation of the word on the sign. The sign is the source and I only added a translation. Zeq 07:13, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Marilyn Monroe

I don't know why you left me that message about Marilyn Monroe but obviously you don't know anyhing. It wasn't Vandalism, it was a completly truthful edit. And I could care less if you removed it. So go ahead and try to block me, maybe you should read up on her sometime. I don't care because I am intelligent and if you want people to read up on someone and not be aware of the whole truth then that's your problem. I am not gonna even stress you because your a joke.

Your saying I left negative information on several articles? I only edited them from the information I found out about them. From reading or watch bio's on those people. It was in no way to attack their character after their demise. And I only called you a joke because you left me a warning like I purposely went out of my way to write nagative and untruthful information about them. Are you following everything I edit? Because that is a form of stalking...

Well while you feel they are inappropriate. I feel that they were correct because I was just adding information that other people left out when they wrote those articles. The only way I find it unsourced was through me not leaving a reference on where I got the information. I don't need a link on appropriate editing. I believe there was nothing wrong with my editing. There were not untruthful and written to disgrace the people I edited about. You should have written and asked me before you threw out a warning like that.

[edit] Iranian women

Please see Talk:Iranian women#Image gallery. Mukadderat 22:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV links?

Why did you remove links here, calling them POV? Whats "POV" about a testimony of leaving Islam? Also "regime" is not POV, see regime. Also, how is the link you removed here promotional? Make sure to explain while using Wikipedia policies. I'm talking about the RJG link. --Matt57 23:53, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


[edit] You are involved in arbitration

You are involved in arbitration. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Mudaliar.2C_Kaikolar.2C_Sengunthar.2C_Devadasi

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Venki123 (talk • contribs) 04:15, 7 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Mohammad Reza Pahlavi/New

Hey, The Behnam. Sorry I didn't respond to you sooner, I've been away for a while. It seems like the original article has been unlocked, so instead of moving Mohammad Reza Pahlavi/New to my user space, we can just delete it. ♠ SG →Talk 18:15, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Standardization

Ashkanian should be changed, but Parthian or Parthian dynasty is pretty standard in English, so we don't really have to change it. --Mardavich 19:53, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Ali Khamenei

Salam, can you please show me those testimonies clearly.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 18:22, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Man nazaram ra tu safhe bahs nevshtam. Motshakker.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 18:37, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mohammad Reza Pahlavi/New

Hi,

Sometimes Wikipedia uses redirects for other purposes besides searching and user convenience. In this case, the redirect maintained vital attribution information, essential to comply with the terms of the GFDL license that WP uses for its content. We cannot delete that redirect. In general, if you see a weird-looking redirect with a long history, it probably exists for GFDL purposes. Best wishes, Xoloz 22:00, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] reply

I randomly sometimes click the minor edit box, half the time my talk page things end up as minor. I did not notice the redundancy on the template, feel free to revert me on that. Devadasi, I'm consulting with people to understand the issue at hand. Actually a member of Category:User Ta-N may be able to help, I'll look into that.Bakaman 23:57, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Muslim Men harassing page on Mukhtar Mai

It is amazing how three muslim men jumped all over this page, right after I added a number of things, and cleaned it up. Does a woman working for human rights in Pakistan really get under your skin so badly? Wow. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.62.5.51 (talk • contribs).

Note - The above message is a personal attack. Please read WP:NPA to learn more on why the IP got blocked for making such attacks. The Behnam 00:27, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Assalamu Alaikum brother.Bakaman 00:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

More of the same...

[edit] Confused boy

Knock it off. I did not vandalize the site. I wrote a message on the board.

STOP harassing this muslim woman's site. Are we clear? I will file a warning about you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jenniferpowell (talk • contribs).

[edit] Unrelated link

I had added the link a while back because Nader Shah is known by many for his Anti-Hindu actions. I am not sure if you have noticed, but the Anti-Hinduism article has some of the same problems as the Anti-Iranian. I am referring to the OR. Although a case can be made for Nader Shah being Anti-Hindu, sources need to be added. Furthermore, the source must say he is Anti-Hindu. I have not been able to find such a source. I was mistaken when I added the link. Do not you agree that he should be removed from the links? Agha Nader 02:02, 9 April 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader

The Shia Chat article needs NPOV sources. If it is as notable as some people profess in its talk page, than such sources must exist. It has a lot of peacock tone, if such a term exists. I did not find any specific word that was a peacock term though. By the way, have you been to the new Persian restaurant? Agha Nader 02:34, 9 April 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader
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