Talk:Theatre
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[edit] Unclear Style: "Vanguard-style theatre"
Does anyone know what vanguard-style theatre is? If so, perhaps we could make the link under "Theatre Venues and Styles" point to a specific vanguard page, rather than the disambiguation page. --Lackthereof 17:46, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
- Or we could eliminate it until such a time as there is a valid article or section to link to (which is what I just did). Cheers, GentlemanGhost 22:02, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Merging Drama and Theatre
The two articles are now too similar. Unless someone writes an article that distinguishes Drama from Theatre, I would vote to merge them. If there are two separate articles, they should start off by saying that the other topic is covered in the other place. --Ssilvers 01:26, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
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- I disagree. theatre and drama are two completely separate subjects if you explore their means and definitions. Drama can specifically refer to a genre, a story, art, an emotional quality, and commonly used to describe theatre class. Theatre on the other hand refers directly to a form of live entertainment that incorporates many types of artistic elements. Theatre can refer to simply a building, profession, live entertainment, group of people, place of action, and/or an audience. In end, this article should be cleaned up as it does not truly describe theatre or drama in a notable way.
Not OK. "Drama" refers to the literary genre and also to a stylistic element in the arts (e.g., Baroque painting is dramatic). "Theatre" refers to the entire art form, incorporating acting, effects, costume, architecture--AND dramatic literature. Perhaps the two articles need re-writing to reflect more strict definitions. Truddick 14:05, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree with the above statement. Drama and theatre are two distinctive things. Dramas include plays, films, television shows, radio shows, and other performed works based in literature, with artistic intentions, and involving conflict and action.
I agree the articles should not be merged as there are subtitle differences between the two terms, as well as other meaning for the terms (i.e. drama- emotional turmoil) See also links should be in place, but the two entries should not be combined
Jacob Z Klimaszewski (Cambridge UK) - The articles of "Drama" and "Theatre" should NOT be merged. As they are totally different. Drama, is an art form, it shows in essence the behavioural traits of people, or orginsations both in a realistic setting and an ideological one, Drama can be manifested into works of theatre, but also film, television and literature. Theatre is the concept of public performance, and can accomodate ANY performing act. A musical concert for example, is a work of theatre just as much as a straight play is.
- Good point, Jacob. But the underlying reason the articles were probably merged was that two groups unwittingly started out writing about the same topic one beginning with "Drama" and the other with the T-word. The particular practicioners of the stage art who haunt Wikipedia and insist on inflicting their misunderstandings on the general public, our readers, tend to take a rather proprietory view of any words related to their field, including which spelling ought to be used for the T-word (go to the Archive link above if you don't believe me). So I am sure your points about the other uses of "drama" will be lost on them. In other words, there is no one to add those ohter points to a Drama article, if it still existed, and it is likely that the T-people would just vandalize any attempts to describe drama as anything beyond simply the T-trade to which they belong as we have witnessed all too often in this article. W.C. 02:21, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Archive
Shouldn't this page include an archive, or was the whole of earlier discussion moved to the spelling page? Paul B 17:12, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
- Oddly enough, the entire earlier discussion (at least they way I found it) was about spelling... --Yossarian
19:22, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Paul, take a look in the history at:
- (cur) (last) 18:52, June 29, 2006 Dramatic (Talk | contribs) (archived discussions more than 7 days old)
It appears user "dramatic" intended to archive the older discussions but that in fact his edit was not done successfully. For the time being, until someone can take the time to properly fix this, I'd suggest persons interested in past discussions access them by clicking on the date highlighted above. W.C. 18:11, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
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- Firstly, I reversed an archive which removed everything includign the todo list and posts an hour old. Then (never having archived a page before) I followed the instructions at Wikipedia:How_to_archive_a_talk_page. If that hasn't worked properly, I'm sorry, I haven't a clue how to fix it. Thirdly, someone else has done further archiving since then. dramatic 21:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Dramatic, thanks for your reply. Maybe we should all let this thing sit for about a week to allow for discussion as to which of the two methods of archiving is best (see How to archive link above). And then archive the newest version of the previous talk, which Dramatic has pointed out is a version that was created after his archiving attempt.W.C. 08:54, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I've put all the previous discussion into Talk:Theatre/Archive 1 and linked to it from here. The Spelling subpage didn't work because it referenced previous discussions. violet/riga (t) 19:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree the articles should not be merged as there are subtitle differences between the two terms, as well as other meaning for the terms (i.e. drama- emotional turmoil) See also links should be in place, but the two entries should not be combined
[edit] List of Playwrights in See Also section
Why are the playwrights listed in See Also section more relevant to the general topic of Theatre than any other playwright? All listed here are also listed in the List of Playwrights article. Since this article already links to List of Playwrights, I am removing the individual playwrights listed here (Aphra Behn, Arthur Miller, August Strindberg, Clifford Odets, David Mamet, Eugene O'Neill, Henrik Ibsen, Lillian Hellman, Tennessee Williams, William Shakespeare). Bfx12a9 18:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Theatre vs Theater in the US
I believe that "theatre" is most commonly used for Shakespearean plays, and "theater" is more commonly used as a synonym for "cinema" in the US. 67.188.172.165 00:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
- Those who hold opinions about the spellings, or have heard opinions of others and wondered whether or not they were correct, may also want to see what statistical analysis of actual use of these two spellings tells us. That's been discussed earlier here (just click on this link) W.C. 02:06, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- I personally didn't like the way that was conducted. They way it was set up they had only the opinions of a few people people who would bother to read the entire page. I like to go by a comparison of the number of hits on a google search. But the discussion is over and I'm too late.74.69.234.9 02:23, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "true" origin
It seems possible that "teatr" is not only Greek, but existed in Persian even before 550BC; but this is a big theory, and should have a source (btw the claim doesnt even say Cyrus predates Greek theatre...), so until then, I put it here: The originality of this word is neither French not Greek. This word is Persian (pronounced Te'atr). Existing documents strongly show the use of this word more than 2500 years in Persian language. In the era of the Cyrus the great (the Persian King in around B.C. 500) there were a group of people who were responsible for constructing the senses of the war for ordinary people or others so that they could share their victories feelings as well as their experiences with the people who were back up or by any reasons could not participate in the war. This kind of narrative stories was called Te'atr in Persian. --FlammingoHey 20:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
