Talk:The Von Bondies
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Can anyone source the whole "Early Days" section? I'm a bit suspicious because Marcie wasn't in the Von Bondies orginally... or at least didn't gig with them. She was in Slumber Party and there was a different guitarist (and bassist) the first few times they played shows. I only remember Marcie playing with them later in 2001. I'm going to look for sources on this because right now beyond the non-encyclopedic tone this article appears to have factual issues as well.--Isotope23 21:57, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Von Bondies origins
I found this in an interview: Silent Uproar: I have read several interviews in which you say that the band was started to express the angst you were feeling. That sounds kinda nu-metally doesn’t it?
Don: Nu-metally? Yeah, or emo or something. I think that most bands in punk rock start with people who are friends and start to play music because it is a good outlet. Jason and Marcie started what became this band a long time ago after seeing The Cramps and bands like that, and it just became the logical way to vent.
SU: Fortunately, you changed the name; it was Baby Killers, right?
Don: Yeah, yeah it was. We changed it when we got a new bass player and the music we were playing was completely different then what the Baby Killers had, so we decided to start fresh with a new name.
Intersting... I wonder if Marcie left to tour with Slumber Party for a while and that is why they had a different guitarist when I saw them live a couple of times in Y2K. My experience is not in anyway WP:V so I won't change this article unless I can find a source. There seem to be some inconsistancies in the lineup as far as this article is concerned. As soon as I have time I will look into it a bit further.--Isotope23 19:26, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Marcie has always been in the von bondies. There was never one show that she did not play. Marcie was slumber partys 6th bass player. She only did one tour with slumber party. And that was when the von bondies had a break for a few months. I work for the von bondies.
[edit] the whole altercation section
is a joke, completly biased
the excepted version of what happened seems to be that jason had been saying how unhappy he was with jacks production, then when jack approached him he was ignored by stollsteimer and so punched him in the face and there was a small scuffle. then jack was charged with assault. im not doing the section though because even though i enjoy the von bondies musically it would end up biased due to my views on jason as a person and i prefer white in both categories
can you just leave out the whole jack vs jason thing. it's almost 4 years ago. I'm sure they would both appreciate it.
If not you can find the original court papers which state. Jack admitted to attacking jason unprovoked and spit on him. And that at no time did jason have a chance to defend himself. Also jack had to admit on record that he lied about the "self-defense claims"
- They might both appreciate it, but this is an encyclopedia and the point is to document what is verifiable. It was 3 years ago, but it did happen. I will add a cite to the text shortly. I busted down what was there to just one line though because the text that was there before was ridiculously overblown and unsourced. Right now it just says there was a fight and White was charged with assault, which I think is the bare minimum that can be said without better sourcing. Personally I don't think the article should get into a long explaination of who's fault it was...
- On another note, the information about their 3rd album title, etc. should not be in this article unless there is a reliable source for this cited.--Isotope23 13:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
cool with me If you need more info on the band go to there myspace page that's where i got the info on the name of there new record
someone keeps posting the same B/S in here, i thought you took all the altercation stuff basically out? But, it's back in the next day.
- I left in "In 2003, Stollsteimer was involved in an altercation with Jack White at the Magic Stick in Detroit with Jack White that led to White being charged with assault." this is the bare minimum that needs to be said about this. I'll add a citation for this soon.--Isotope23 18:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
I edited the altercation section today. I tried to cite my sources, but for some reason it's not showing up. I also tried to make it as neutral as possible, there was a lot of unfactual information in there. (i.e. Jack didn't break Jason's nose, it was not at a Von Bondies concert, etc. etc.) Jig 03:29, 25 January 2007 (UTC)jigwashere
It's still really one sided. No one know why it happened and the court papers said that it was an attack not a fight. So to say it was about "production" is just speculation not fact. So it should be removed. Also, to say they started recieving media attention for it sounds a little miss leading. I have more then 30 magazines with them in it from 2002 ranging from spin to rolling stone. And that was a few years before the inccident. Also they had been signed to sire 2 years prior to the "attack".So most of the info you put in is not really relivent to the success of the band.
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There are a lot of "the"s that need to be capitalized or added to links. Example: the White Stripes --> The White Stripes. --ScarletSpiderDave 08:56, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] WP:LIVING
I have removed material from this article that does not comply with our policy on the biographies of living persons. Biographical material must always be referenced from reliable sources, especially negative material. Negative material that does not comply with that must be immediately removed. Note that the removal does not imply that the information is either true or false.
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