Talk:The Twisted Tales of Felix the Cat

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[edit] Correct title?

I was updating a voice actors page, and this animated was listed, I double checked with imdb and it was actually titled "The Twisted Adventures of Felix the Cat", so I moved the page, and fixed all the wiki links ... <>Who 20:46, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Are you sure that IMDB didn't get it wrong? I note that both the TV episode list fan page, as well as the only online review IMDB has listed, both call it "Twisted Tales". Not only that, if you look at the cover art at both IMDB and the review page, the cover art gives the title as "Twisted Tales"! (I did check, and all the episodes listed on the thing listed on the review page are from the 95-96 season.) Now, perhaps the "Twisted Tales" variant was selected for the video re-release, and it's the cover art for that which we are seeing, but I would certainly want to make sure. (I'm not a Felix fan, I just did the article when it was listed on RfD.) Noel (talk) 14:20, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I was pretty sure I remembered it as the "adventures", I just doubled checked with IMDB. The main hits I got for "tales" was in VHS/DVD release. I looked at a few other sources (dont have them handy atm) and they all showed "adventures" for the series. I will look more into it if you like, as long as its correctly listed I dont mind it being either one. Who?¿? 18:56, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well, unfortunately, after further review, although the majority of my sources, and memory, referred to it as "Adventures" the official offical felix site has it listed as "Tales". Unless for some odd reason they changed it over the years. Every reliable source I could find showed it as Adventures. I should have proposed the move, I was in a bit of a hurry working on something else at the time, still have a lot to get used to on wiki. I am not an admin, so I believe it would be in the best interest of wiki to revert it, if you aren't opposed. Any thoughts? <>Who?¿? 23:39, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I don't think we have to be in any hurry to act; there's a redirect at the alternative title, so anyone looking up (or linking to) "Twisted Tales" is going to find the article. I'd rather take our time and get the definitive data. Have you tried e.g. contacting Film Roman and seeing what they say? Given all the stuff you've found, I can easily believe that both have been officially used; e.g. maybe it was "Adventures" back when it was on first-run TV, and "Tales" for the video re-release? Noel (talk) 23:56, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

PS: I wouldn't put too much stock in that "official felix site". If my guess that both names were officially used is correct, whoever did the site could easily have only known about the name used on the video re-release; that would of course be the one they'd use, so that anyone who wanted to buy one (i.e. revenue!) would look up that title. Noel (talk) 00:03, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I went looking to contact Film Roman and after searching all of the Felix website, could not even find a reference to "Adventures"; I figured that was pretty definitive and thought any responses from them would match what they have currently posted. I'll have to look further into finding a reliable contact for the history. <>Who?¿? 00:08, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Title problems

Just for the record, the series was reviewed in various animation magazines at the time as "The Twisted Tales". The tapes I had of the series used the title, not just the commercial ones, the *theme song* included the repeated line "Twisted tales of Felix the cat," and the book The Encyclopedia of Animated Cartoons by Jeff Lenburg, 1998 edition, included that title. I normally don't use Lenburg as a source, as he is nootriously sloppy in much of his research, but in this case he's correct. It wouldn't be the first time that IMdb had something wrong and countless websites based the info off of IMDb and/or fuzzy memories. Go to Google groups and look at old posts in places like rec.arts.animation, which was active when the series premiered in 1995. It uses the "Tales" title. (I still need to correct the error on the Voicechasers site). Aleal 29 June 2005 05:15 (UTC)

As a final note, the title with "Adventures" does show up in occasionally more reliable sources, such as the resume of actor Pat Fraley, who worked on the series. So it's quite possible that the first was the working title when the show was in production (Lenburg claims it was to have been called "The New Adventures of Felix the Cat") and wasn't changed until it premiered. Okay, one more bit of evidence. From the resume of artist Milton Knight, who directed two episodes of the series: http://www.miltonknight.net/animation.html#felix In case more proof is needed, he might be worth contacting (I've e-mailed him before re other animation matters, and he seemed quite friendly). Aleal 29 June 2005 05:29 (UTC)

Hi thanks for your response and effort. I had emailed Film Roman staff awhile back, inquiring about the title change(s), and what it was originally. I have unfortunately not received a reply as of yet. As I told Noel, I did not just use IMDB, as I know they can be unreliable, and although the official felix site had it as "Tales", it may have been created by staff that did not know the appropriate history or naming. If you find out anymore information, it would be greatly appreciated, as I have no personal preference on the article title, except that of a correct one. <>Who?¿? 29 June 2005 06:31 (UTC)

Aleal, thanks for that data: the info that it was "Tales" on the original TV broadcasts, and the contemporary reviews of it under "Tales", seem pretty definitive. I think you have a good guess that they changed it to "Tales" (which is shorter, plus it has that nice alliteration) before actual release. I'll move it back, and put a note in the article about "New Adventures" having been the pre-release working name. Noel (talk) 17:37, 27 July 2005 (UTC)