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January 2006 – May 2006

Contents 1 Too Unsuccessful? 2 Contiunity errors 3 Charachters 4 Continuity error 5 Too much blue links? 6 Recurring Characters 7 others section 8 'Englishness' of The Suite Life 9 Continuity Errors and Trivia 10 recurring characters table 11 CHARACTER CLEAN-UP!!! 12 Merge 13 Games section 14 Minor and Recurring Characters! 15 Places section 16 Peer Review 17 Article titles 18 Main character descriptions 19 Heading color 20 Requested move 20.1 Survey 21 Disney Channel Game 22 Settings 23 London's Middle Name 24 Delete 25 Scope of the Article 26 Upcoming Motion Picture? 27 Zack 28 Main Character 29 Updated - 14 Jan 07 30 What happened to the trivia? 31 Mr. Moseby Problem 32 Severe vandalism 33 "...and was one of the first five shows available on the ITunes Store." 34 Zack And Cody 35 episode overload 36 France Tipton? 37 Anon User 24.33.234.185 Strikes again and...

[edit] Too Unsuccessful?

NOTE: As of 11/8/2006, a press release from Disney Channel stated that, "[The show] is too unsuccsesful. It is all right with the younger kids, not so much the [adults]." Including the coming up espisodes, an exclusive last holiday episode is to be shown near Christmas, and after that, the show is cancelled, no re-runs. "We see it as quite a loss," said Henry Chan, one of Suite Life's directors, after the press release.

I took that out because it obviously seems fake and theres no proof. Does anyone have any evidence to back up this statement? 199.74.79.150 16:47, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Contiunity errors

What the heck happened to all of the continuinity errors?They used to have a million.People took them off for no apparent reason.User:fudgehed

No. They weren't taken off for "no apparent reason." It was clearly documented in the edit descriptions that removed them. Every episode of the Suite Life has an entire Wiki article devoted to it. That is where all bloopers, continuity errors, etc. belong, and the vast majority of them listed here were already redundant to the episode articles. The ones that didn't already exist in the episode articles were merged in and deleted from this one. All attempts to add anything like that back to this article should be reverted out. Debuskjt 14:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

And the reasoning was also documented in the "Continuity Errors and Trivia" section of this page before the edits were done. Debuskjt 14:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Charachters

HOw is corrie a main charchter and not Estaban or Arwin --Cnriaczoy42 18:30, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I think esteban and arwin should be put in the main characters, even though corrie is gonna be maddie's assistant, but that's not until season 3!

Ok, I rearranged them. user:Yoshi032192

WHO'S CORRIE?!?!Atomic45 08:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

First off, calm down. Second, its Carrie, not Corrie. And she's the Twins mother, that's why she was listed as the main character. Unforgotten 21:00, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Wait!!!!You don't understand- there's a Carrie(the boys' mom)and there's Corrie(Maddie's friend, or as London refers to her,"The weird,freaky one").Also,who took off the fact that stated Corrie was going to be w/ Maddie at the candy counter? Do you think you could tell me where you learned that from?! I really want to know. Tini 8 20:47, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Continuity error

I am just wondering, why was the continuity errors section deleted? I think it should be put back up. user:yoshi032192

See Contiunity errors and Continuity Errors and Trivia for the reasoning. Debuskjt 14:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Too much blue links?

Everytime I read through this article, it seems as if there is way too much episode citation. It takes up alot of room in the characters sections, and alot of it needs to be deleted. We should only cite things that seem as if they really need it!

I agree, do we really need to know every episode a character appear on or that Cody has a Nintendo DS and gets car sick? Tazz765 01:46, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recurring Characters

I do not think that Arwin or Esteban should be with the Major characters because they are not shown in the opening sequence.

I agree. If you notice, all the major charries are in every episode, and Arwin, Estaban, and Corrie are not.

[edit] others section

Why is there an "Others" section? This seems unecessary. So we shouldn't have put them in main characters, then put them back in the regular recurring characters section.

[edit] 'Englishness' of The Suite Life

The assertion in the first sentence that this programme is 'English' is highly misleading. None of the actors are English; the production company is not English; so far as I know, none of the technical staff are English. The only sense in which the show is English is that it is English-language (and, even then, it is American English). In the interests of accuracy (perhaps even pedantry), I have therefore replaced said reference with 'American'.

[edit] Continuity Errors and Trivia

These sections have gotten way out of hand and although they may be fun, it detracts from the article. You would never find trivia and continuity errors like this in any other encyclopedia and it’s not appropriate content for Wikipedia either.

I think we need to discuss how these areas should be cleaned up and get it done. I suggest limiting the trivia section to maybe three or four supported points and eliminating the “Continuity Errors” section entirely.

Seriously, much of this stuff would be better located on a fan site than here. (Aperiodic 03:33, 22 June 2006 (UTC))

How about we just delete some of the stuff that, honestly, is not important. who cares if the show started filming in september whatever. Just small, little facts. And same thing for the goofs section. we should get rid of little things like, ift he person's hair is flipped back and not in different parts. We should only keep the goofs that are incredibly obvious. --Jak 14:34, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I cleaned up alot of it, and personally, I think it looks a whole lot better.--Jak 14:57, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I think it looks a lot better! I also removed the line about mattresses being visible in a couple of episodes. It's not really a continuity issue and not really worthy of inclusion in the trivia section. (Aperiodic 16:42, 22 June 2006 (UTC))

Hate to beat a dead horse, but why are we even keeping the bloopers section at all? Only in the most extreme places, the section is subjective. Furthermore, that information should be in the article for the episode, not this one. Most of the trivia also belongs on the actor pages or in the individual episodes as well. Debuskjt 00:36, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] recurring characters table

I don't know where this table came from, but i think that we should put it up on the article. Is there a place where we can check the episode numbers on it? Does anyone else think we should check the numbers, then put it up?

Cast	Character	Season Episodes
		1	2
Adrian R'Mante	Esteban	13	8
Brian Stepanek	Arwin	8	7
Vanessa Anne Hudgens	Corrie	0	4
Monique Coleman	Mary-Margaret	1	4
Estelle Harris	Muriel	13	0
Alyson Stoner	Max	4	1
David Bendersky	Tapeworm	4	0
Patrick Bristow	Patrick	4	2
Charlie Stewart	Bob	1	7
Allie Grant	Agnes	1	2
Marianne Muellerleile	Sister Dominick	0	4
Caroline Rhea	Ilsa	2	1

• does anyone know a website like tv.com or someting that has a table similar to this where we could double check those numbers???--Jak 03:57, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

WHERE DID YOU GET THAT? THINK OF COPY-RIGHT MATTERS!!!Atomic45 08:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Stop making posts like that, this isn't a forum. And you can get that off of any fansite/Tv database, its not copyrighted. Unforgotten 21:02, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CHARACTER CLEAN-UP!!!

Okay, The list of characters is getting WAY out of hand. It looks wicked messy now and there's too many people. I think the rule should be:

Minor characters: Have appeared in 3 episodes.

Recurring characters: Have appeared in 5 episodes. --Jak 20:09, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

• I DISAGREE, I think that it was completely fine! Candyo32 21:09, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

• • I just did a little clean up my self right now. I took off about 10 characters that were completeley unnecessary. we dont need people like Trevon on it, Gary and rich, and there was even Jesse Mcartney. People just want to contrubut to the page, they dont care what it is, they just think if they put something on it, then they're special or something. --Jak 14:58, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

• I agree with Jak.

--Cute 1 4 u 19:53, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I also agree. There are too many characters and minor details about them. Who cares what their favorite color or food is? Tazz765 19:56, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

• Yes, I agree with Jak. However, Jesse McCartney and Zac Efron are two popular guest stars among the Disney Channel community. Therefore, I have added a section called "Guest Stars", including Jesse McCartney, Zac Efron, Raven-Symoné, Anne-Marie Johnson, Miley Cyrus, and Billy Ray Cyrus. --walkingencyclopedia 19:09, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

• • well no offense, but i still think it looks kinda messey. The Thats so suite life of hannah montana hasn't even been premeired yet! Lets atleast wait until then to put it on. And once again, some characters like chef palo, irene, gary and rich DO NOT belong on this page. some characters are just created for one episode to fill in a part for somethingi n the plot, they have been in one episode, so they're not recurring or even minor characters! From now on, i think that they should have to have been in at least TWO episodes to be considered a minor characters, and they have to have been big parts. for example, jessica and janice have had some big parts, so i left them in it, but norman, definitly doesn't need to be in it.--Jak 02:28, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

That so suite life of hannah montana HAS premiered, that depends on where you live and how the schedule is.Atomic45 08:29, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Chef Paulo is in a few episode-just thought i'd mention that. i'm bored, can you tell. Tini 8 20:52, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

I think 'The Suite Life Of Zack and Cody' should be merged to 'The Suite life of Zack & Cody'.It should be merged cause the show has an ampersand in the title and picture. center|260px

see,look at the pic above. --Cute 1 4 u 19:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

If I understand this correctly you want me to redirect The Suite Life of Zack & Cody to The Suite life of Zack and Cody, because that is what I have done. --walkingencyclopedia 19:08, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Games section

Do we really need the GAMES section up there? It jsut seems like anopther excuse someone made up to make a contribution to this page. It also kinda strikes me as a small advertisment ploy, but thats just me.--Jak 22:45, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I think a games section is fine--nicic

[edit] Minor and Recurring Characters!

Okay. for the last time, MINOR CHARACTERS HAVE TO HAVE HAD AT LEAST TWO MAJOR ROLES! Noreman the doorman, irene, and all tose people don't count! and for the thats so suite life of hannah montana, lets atleast wait for it to premeir, and see who is definitly in the suite life part of it, then we can put it back up with accuracy. and the recurring characters, are big character like esteban and awin who have had around around 10 appearences. and then there are some people like Muriel and max who have only been in a couple, and they can still be in it. But we have to be harsh on who goes in minor characters section or else it will end up being 50 characters long! i mean look at what it has become after 1 3/4 seasons! no imagin what it will look like after 4 or 5 seasons. it will be the size of the whole article itself of maybe even longer! CERTAIN CHARACTERS ARE CREATED JUST FOR ONE EPISODE, JUST ONE OR TWO SITUATIONS, THEN WE'LL NEVER SEE THEM AGAIN! THOSE CHARACTERS EITHER NEED THEIR OWN SECTION (NOT MINOR CHARACTERS SECTION), OR SHOULD JUST BE OFF THIS PAGE! --Jak 02:31, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Places section

I just added a new section up called about all the places section. I haven't quite finished it yet. But what do you think of it so far? --Jak 23:30, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I removed it, it's huge fan-cruft, and does not improve the overall quality of the article. --lightdarkness ^(talk) 23:33, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

You're right, i think it is too big, i'll make it a little smaller, leme know what u think then. --Jak 02:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

The places section sounds all-right, but wait until they clean-up the character list, that way, the article wont look TOO over-done.Atomic45 08:33, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peer Review

This article is currently on Peer Review, and I'll be making some minor edits throughout, to try and improve the overall quality. To start, I've removed "The sitcom is the highest rated show on the Disney Channel. As of December 2005, the show was rated #336 on the Nielsen TV Ratings Best Shows of 2005.", we need to find the source of this statement, and cite it as such. I've also renamed the places section to "Setting", as it's a more general name. If anyone has any comments for the PR, please feel free to post them there :) --lightdarkness ^(talk) 14:02, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

This article is over-Wiki-linked, IMO. Many sections are a sea of blue, and an effort should be made to remove redundant Wiki-links (like Tipton Hotel, Boston, or actor/actress names). Sometimes it makes sense to allow redundant links, but as a general rule of thumb, I think we should say that a Wikilink should only exist once per section.Debuskjt 15:53, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I've removed a bunch of redundant links, though a lot still exist between sections. Debuskjt 18:36, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article titles

The titles of this article and related articles need some changes; the only reason I haven't done it is because it would be painful—there would be so many moves to make and links to change. But this article should really be called "The Suite Life of Zack & Cody". Also the characters: Maddie's article should be under "Maddie Fitzpatrick" (or "Maddie (The Suite Life of Zack and Cody)"), not "Madeline Fitzpatrick"—titles are supposed to be done according to the common usage. It's the same with Moseby's article, should be at "Mr. Moseby". Everyking 08:18, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I say leave this here over the weekend and then if no objections are raised you migrate them, redirect "The Suite Life of Zack and Cody" here, and slowly tackle all the article references as a group based on what Whatlinkshere? Does that sound agreeable? - Debuskjt 02:06, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Though I should add that I disagree on "Mr. Moseby." It should not be moved, per WP:NCP, which states "try to avoid punctuation marks in article names as much as possible" and "if a qualifier is used in the title of a page..." (in this case, "Mr.") "...where the content is, it is never abbreviated." So Mr. Moseby would have to be Mister Moseby, and that should be avoided per "'King', 'Queen', 'Blessed', 'Mother', 'Father', 'Doctor', 'Mister', or any other type of qualifier is generally avoided as first word for a page name of a page on a single person, unless for disambiguation or redirect purposes." It also gives the example of Dr. Livingstone. Even though "Dr. Livingstone" would be the common usage, the article is at David Livingstone because of policy. - Debuskjt 02:14, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, I used to be an admin, so I could have moved these pages to better titles (it requires moving over redirects), but having been deprived of the tools recently we will have to find someone else to do it. Is any admin reading this page? Everyking 06:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Main character descriptions

It seems kind of odd to me that most of this article is devoted to long descriptions of characters that already have their own Wiki articles. It's a lot of duplicated effort, and is kind of odd (see Veronica Mars, where character's with Wiki articles have very short, one-to-two sentence descriptions). I think the descriptions should be taken way down in length to reduce the size of this article and encourage development of larger articles devoted to those characters that can hold a lot more information. Large amounts of good information are great, but they should be in the proper place. And though everyone who watches this articles knows that I love WP:BOLD, I didn't want to undertake such a drastic change in the article without discussing here first. Anyone else have any thoughts about it? - Debuskjt 00:39, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

And just as an aside, the other option is moving the character list for the series into its own page so we can have longer descriptions of everyone else, too, but I don't think that's really necessary (or desirable) until there's more information about merchandising, distribution, DVD releases, music tie-ins, etc. etc. to add into this article. - Debuskjt 00:39, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heading color

Since it's proven contentious, can we reach a consensus on it instead of changing and reverting it over and over? - Debuskjt 21:48, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disney Channel Game

In the disnychannel game called Kitchen Comotion you can cheat by picking 2 players then you can just play with your keyboard or mouse and the other player doesnt move so u can do watever u want.Haha just wanted to let you know.--Stlbabe 53 23:10, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Settings

I really don't feel it's necessary to list every single place that has been mentioned on Suite Life in this article. It's non-notable and borders on Wikipedia:Listcruft. Truth be told, non-recurring settings are a good candidate for deletion from the list as it is. - Debuskjt 19:08, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] London's Middle Name

How do we know London's middle name is Leah and Carey's maiden mame is Smith?24.15.8.145 21:51, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Couldn't find one through a Google, so removed the information until a citation can be added. - Debuskjt 00:43, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, for 1, they say their names like that and obviously isn't their first or last names. Tini 8 21:02, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Delete

Can we delete some old discussion? Some of it is really old and or inaccurate

Nothing here is older than June. That's not very old. However, you should not delete discussion. You can, however, archive it. - Debuskjt 23:58, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it helps us keep a reference 72.229.142.177 00:03, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scope of the Article

I think that the scope of this article should be widened. Where is the show filmed? How did the show become into existence at Disney Channel? These things are important, as well as the actual show.--Ed ^{¿Cómo estás?} 04:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Upcoming Motion Picture?

It looks like there could be a Suite Life of Zack & Cody movie coming to THEATERS in Christmas 2007?[1] 72.94.46.100 05:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Most likely a fake. Link is to a photobuket acct and the twins both have short hair. If it was real, they would have long hair still. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 19:39, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zack

The name of zack is Zack or Zackary ?

He goes by zack but his full name is zackary --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 21:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Main Character

I cannot believe someone said that Zack was really the main character. The show's name is not The Suite Life of Zack!! 216.54.173.165 01:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I know!!! Zack and Cody are twins, the point is they're supposed to be equal.Atomic45 08:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Updated - 14 Jan 07

Some minor changes.

- added info to introduction.
- infobox reduced to make it smaller.
- changed and fixed 'settings'.
- changed 'music' to 'theme song'.

Gatojo 03:08, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What happened to the trivia?

Where have all the trivia gone? I know that some was moved into the episode that it belongs with (same with the bloopers), but what about the ones that weren't related to any episode?--Jak 19:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Avoid trivia sections in articles. – Elected 20:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. --Jak 21:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mr. Moseby Problem

How do we know that Mr. Marion Moseby's middle name is Eduardo? I think that it needs to be cleaned up. Adam 1412 20:50 25th January 2007.

[edit] Severe vandalism

At 5:27 pm EST on February 2 I noticed severe vandalism on this page. The entire page was replaced with the text "I blame Hitler". I'm going to try to replace this with the most recent version of the page. Ericdn 22:28, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

• A day later, and yet more vandalism. I'll do my best to revert to the previous revision again. I strongly recommend that this page be put on semi-protection! (If I knew how to make an official request for that myself, I would.) Ericdn 14:42, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Please don't list every instance of vandalism here. It isn't needed. Just revert it and warn the editor. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 19:14, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Who let that MANIAC vandalise this page!!!Atomic45 08:43, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "...and was one of the first five shows available on the ITunes Store."

I don't think this is an important thing to be in the first paragraph. It seems more like a plug for Apple than anything else. Maybe if there were a trivia section it would belong there. --Indolences 01:55, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Avoid trivia sections in articles. I believe it was in a trivia section in the past but was merged into the article. It is kind of important being one of the first 5 shows too. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 03:34, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the trivia link, I was not aware of such a measure. How is what I mentioned important? It's just trivia... There is nothing to be learned from the statement. To me it just seems like an excuse to plug Itunes. -Indolences 05:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

What about something like "...and was the first Disney Channel series to star a duo of twin boys" or similar. I have no idea if that is true, but it is more relevent to the article in my opinion. --Indolences 05:18, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Zack And Cody

Isn't it a great show.

That isn't really an important subject, but you should sign your name after you say something. Pahrak bionicle lover 02:48, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

The talk-page's aren't about you're opinion, you're supposed to improve the ARTICLE.Atomic45 08:40, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, what he said. Pahrak bionicle lover 00:50, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] episode overload

How come Thats So Raven Finished witth about 100 episodes but The Suite Life Of Zack And Cody have about 65 and have no plans of ending?72.144.20.77 00:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Thats so raven was turned into a spin-off (cory in the house) so they had to end the original. The amount of episodes depends on the popularity, since disney apparently scrapped their 65episode policy, if the views continue to want episodes, dinsey will continue making them. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 02:52, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] France Tipton?

Who the heck is that? He's supposed to be the long-lost son of Mr. Tipton and will appear on Season 4.

I don't even think they started taping Season 3 yet and Season 4 is confirmed?!?

205.244.107.198 01:20, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

There has been no comfirmation of a season 4 let alone any characters magically apearing in it. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 12:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anon User 24.33.234.185 Strikes again and...

A lot of valuable info has disappeared. 198.85.73.12 17:23, 29 March 2007 (UTC)