Talk:The Shape of Punk to Come

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What are your thoughts on titling this page "The Shape Of Punk To Come : A Chimerical Bombination In 12 Bursts". As this is the full title of the album, even though it is almost always labelled "The Shape Of Punk To Come"(i brought this up in the main refused discussion page as well)

chriscorey 21:14, Jun 15, 2005

Are you sure it's the full title? I realise the words are printed under the heading, but I just thought it was sub-text and not a part of the title. AMG doesn't include it in the title and it's usually right. I don't think we should bother, it's long enough as it is! Btw, do you have any comments on the text of the article? I wrote in most of that influence stuff a little while ago and I'd like to know what others think. Psychobabble 21:43, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I consider that the subtitle as well, I don't think it needs to be in the article title. However, I do think the article should be moved to The Shape of Punk to Come as per the WikiProject:Music guidelines. Davelong 18:17, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This statement "The album today is largely seen as a classic and usually liked in lots of music circles regardless of peoples tastes." seems more like opinion than fact.

The title of this album could not possibly be named after a Nation of Ulysses song because the name of the NOU song is "The Sound of Jazz to Come." Consider revising?

I changed this. In an interview, Dennis Lyxzén refers explicitly to Ornette Coleman: http://www.exclaim.ca/index.asp?layid=22&csid=1&csid1=892 - maybe I'll include it as a reference in a later revision, although there should be even better sources. A source for the Born Against statement, as well as for the connection to NoU's aesthetic would also be nice. The latter is fairly obvious, but this is an encyclopedia after all.

I think the album is named after both because its ornette colleman is also mentioned in the booklet. This should be mentioned to

"Whether or not the prophecy in the title has come true is an open question. The album was certainly influential, inspiring a change in sounds of bands such as Anti-Flag and AFI who have moved to some extent towards more 'screamy' vocals which mark this album."

"screamy vocals" are hardly "the mark" of this album. Get that horrible sentence out of there.

It says the vocals "mark" the album (as in they're present and noticable), not that they are "the mark" OF the album. See? 24.3.229.31 01:13, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citation needed for AFI / Thursday

I'm going to go ahead and remove the sentance about "this album has been the main influence for thursday and AFI" or whatever. There's no citation and no one has attempted to provide one. Furthermore, TSOPTC came out in 1998, at specifically the time that AFI was moving away from hardcore punk into more somber musical stuff. I can't speak for thursday, cause... I don't know much about them. But without a citation, I'm certainly not comfortable with saying anything AFI has done since 1998 has been based off of a refused album.

~X 128.173.236.156 14:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC) (above comment is me, i lost my cookie Will 14:56, 23 February 2007 (UTC))

I read in at least interview with Jade from AFI (their main composer) that he likes Refused. [1] REAX: What older bands are you listening to? JP: I busted out my old Refused collection. That was one of my top favorite bands of all time. A lot of songs that I’ve written have been at least somewhat influenced by that band. They are just a little hardcore band from Sweden. I’m getting back into that, a little more aggressive stuff. I’ve been listening to some Bowie, some Cure, some Smiths. And all the stuff that never gets old.

[edit] Track names in the album cover

In the album cover track number 3 is spelled "The Deadly Rythm" (without the h), track 4 "Summerholidays Vs. Punkroutine" (plural holidays) and track 9 "Refused Are Fuckin Dead" (without the '). If those titles are wrong then I think it should appear on the article.