Talk:The Rumble in the Jungle

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[edit] Ali changed to Hardiman?

I noticed that suddenly every reference to Ali in the Rumble part is now Hardiman. It seems pretty consistent so is there a reasoning for this or is this some sort of vandalism?

- Wackjum 03:57, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The legitimacy of the fight

I don't know too much about this, but isn't there some controversy over whether Ali won legitimately? If you've explored the subject you are aware that there was overwhelming support for Ali, and little for Foreman in that particular region. "Ali, kill him" became a common chant in the days before the fight. Also, if you watch the original footage, you'll see that foreman gets up immediately after having been punched. Perhaps they had different rules over there, but isn't there supposed to be a count? I would like to see an analysis over whether the support for Ali resulted in an over enthusiastic audience, which may have altered the reaction of those responsible for deciding the match. - Seg 22:36, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Explain npov claim

Anyone can slap a npov tag on anything, but it is really not useful if the npov claim is not explained. --Ezeu 23:37, 28 September 2005 (UTC)


In any event, the tendency towards hyperbole ("microsecond") is undesirable if the purpose of an encyclopedia is accurate. -- I feel embarassed having to explain this (but I didn't slap on the NPOV), but the the language praising Ali is subjective, and the text read like a story with the purpose of creating exhilaration in anticipation of Ali's victory. I love Ali too. But I can describe his victories without sounding like a used-car salesman.

[edit] How?

It was to Ali's advantage that the people supported him. And also, Foreman did not get up immediatly. He may have got up right before 10, but it was too close. He would of been knocked out later anyways.

[citation needed] --Nugneant 06:59, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ALI WON

theres no doubt he deseved to win and it would of happened anyways

This is an illegitimate comment. May the wikipedia community ignore it. --Zpobric 07:00, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Are you a Royal Prince? --Nugneant 07:01, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] May 9th Minor Cleanup

I'm not a boxing fan, just someone who likes sports trivia. It's my objective opinion that this article was an abominably written trainwreck. One uses the past tense when covering sporting events (unless one is captioning or annotating a photo-stream). It read sort of like one of those "Greatest Sports Heroes" books one would buy for $1.00 - the ones that are about the size of a baseball card and written for 3rd graders. And beyond all this, it's definitely biased towards Ali.

Anyway. I went in and did my best to change it to past tense, as the present tense was majorly annoying - but let prosterity show that yes, this article needs clean-up. --Nugneant 07:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

And you've done a nice job! I believe that some judicious snipping here and there of over-the-top comments about Ali are in order. The article is entirely too long on breathless description and short on historical data. I'll come back to this later this week and trim it a bit. I am looking to add some internal links as well to try and tie the Fight in with important world events and culture. Nugneant deserves out thanks. Lisapollison 21:59, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article Quality

Seems to be biased and I agree with Lisapollison.

A terrible/great (however you want to say it) example is under Reactions: "Also, when Ali walking to the stage at the Oscars to be part of the group receiving the Oscar for When We Were Kings, a documentary of the fight in Zaire, he has trouble doing so because of the effects of Parkinson's disease and Foreman helps him up the steps."

It is horribly simple and grammatically mutated.

I agree, this article needs cleaning, and less opinion is required.

Overall it is very superficial.

[edit] Rambling in the Jungle

This article really has very little to do with an encyclopedia entry. I'm tempted to throw 75% of the text out and leave just the basic facts on the fight and make some more connections like those now under Reactions and Cultural influence. But then again, maybe I'd better leave this to a real boxing fan. --Stefan29 19:58, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I've done quite a bit of editing, but I need a boxing expert to help me. My knowledge only does so far.--FrasierC 23:05, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

From a boxing fan's POV one thing that's missing from the entry is that it underestimates how often, and how hard, Ali hit Foreman. Ali caught Foreman coming in and beat him to the punch nine time out of ten. Foreman's defense was poor and he walked right into shots, increasing the damage. In retrospect, it isn't that surprising that Ali won; he was a much better boxer and threw straighter punches. The only fighters Ali ever had trouble with in his prime were hook-shot artists like Frazier, who would get inside his guard.Mumblio 21:45, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

From a boxing fan's POV another thing missing from the entry is the round-by-round scoring. This is like reading a long article about a baseball game without ever hearing who got a hit or was struck out, only color commentary followed by the final score. Round-by-round scoring would provide a neutral descriptor of how the fight progressed up to the moment of the (controversial) TKO. 149.101.1.129 17:51, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I am a serious student of Ali's fights; I will try to fix this article up; it's a mess from start to finish. It reads like somebody with a passing knowledge of the fight typed it up in a few minutes.RaulGroom 21:09, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm setting up a new page called Rumble in the Jungle - UPDATED. Anyone who's interested can come by and discuss it while it's under construction; it will probably take me about a week before I can replace this page with that one.RaulGroom 21:12, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Copies of articles aren't allowed in article space, but you can feel free to work on a new version in your user space. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 03:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image

The image used in this article is very strange. It seems to bear no relation to the article's contents. Clicking the image leads to an explanation that it is a video cover, but even so I don't think it illustrates the article at all well. Bobo12345 15:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

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