Talk:The Rime of the Ancient Mariner
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Does anyone have any insight into why Coleridge added the gloss? I asked my high school aged brother to read the poem and even he could understand what the poem is saying without the gloss. Certainly the Romanitc Era readers would not have needed the gloss to comprehend Coleridge's poem. The only explanation that I can come up with is that Coleridge is being sarcastic, basically insulting the intellect of his readers. Any commentary on this question, or perhaps links to where I can find more information on it would be helpful.
-his editors (or his friends) thought that the text wouldn't be understood without commentary, so Coleridge reluctantly put them in. (got from the intro of penguin collection of coleridge poems; dont have exact stuff on me atm though. And despite it being the romanitc era, the language Coleridge uses was still archaic; hence believed to be confusing (i.e. 'rime' and 'kirk')
What is the difference between the two versions linked to? --Phil | Talk 16:15, Aug 23, 2004 (UTC)
- There are substantial differences between the early and later versions of the Rime. The early version is more "Gothic" and a bit more graphic in parts and is only the poem itself. The later version is a bit more polished and also includes the prose glosses in the margins. The later version that is linked to (at Univ. Virginia) includes links (within the poem) to the older version where it differs substantially. Both versions are interesting to anyone who's interested in the development of the poem and/or the poet. --Marj 18:10, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I believe that Coleridge included the glosses to add to the dramatic effect of the poem, and to perhaps analyse and interpret the main text. The glosses, it should be noted, present the poem in a religious context. By Grammar Girl and Text Trooper
Is there any reason why Iron Maiden, who I will concede rules a lot, takes up most of this page? I'm not sure as to their contribution to the understanding of a late 18th-early 19th century poem, especially one that does not rock nearly as hard as Maiden. --TheGrza 18:02, Sep 23, 2004 (UTC)
Uh, hi there, Demonslave. The article previously had the entire listing of lyrics from the song, which actually did take up quite a bit of space. I was the one who deleted it after realizing that there was no justification that could be provided by the Talk page. So, no, I'm not trolling anything. --TheGrza 21:00, Sep 27, 2004 (UTC)
- "The article previously had the entire listing of lyrics from the song" Noted. Thank you for your reply. :) --Demonslave 21:16, Sep 27, 2004 (UTC)
- I removed my previous comment after reading your informative response to my rather hasty initial post. :) Sorry! :D --Demonslave 21:17, Sep 27, 2004 (UTC)
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[edit] Is the Serenity reference really necessary?
Yes! - Adrian Pingstone 13:36, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't see why it shouldn't be there, it is a use of the poem in popular culture, after all. Arianna 16:23, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Then put it back i would like to read it
[edit] seaQuest and bibliography
I just added a mention of an episode of seaQuest DSV into the pop culture section. When I did this, I noticed that this article is missing a bibliography/works cited. I'd hate to have my seaQuest entry be the only citation. Discuss please! Ycaps123 20:36, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Trying this AGAIN
AHH, HEY!!!! ...this is a good poem, but i need help writing an analysis of it!
can any one tell me wot time period the poem was based on??
ANSWER: i believe it was based on the 17th-18th century earliest.you are wrong it was in the romantic period which was 1785-1830
[edit] Influences
I just noticed that this article and the one on Frankenstein do not reference each other, yet Ancient Mariner was an influence on Shelley in writing Frankenstein, and this shows in the latter's structure: both, for instance are cautionary tales set (partially at least) in a "sea of ice" (North Pole/Mer De Glace/Antarctica) involving a Chinese Box structure of storytelling where the main narrator tells his story before introducing the main story. Both are partially Gothic, partially Romantic in genre, warn of the dangers of violating nature, and deal with the theme of justice (and both are reputed to have been written by people very high on drugs) i believe you are wrong it was in the romantic period which was 1785-1830
[edit] Movie Reference
In the first movie version of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Willy Wonka says "bubbles, bubbles everywhere, but not a drop to drink". I'm not sure how to put the reference into the main article though. Morgrim 09:52, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Interpretations
Can we stick at least some more on?
and why is the wedding guest 'sadder and wiser', full of forlorn, yet rising the morrow morn?, i've never really understood that bit;
Are we really going to allow that interpretation of Snoop's 'Murder Was the Case'? Its connection to the poem is tenuous at best. The idea of selling one's soul for earthly rewards and then finding spiritual redemption is a common theme in literature. Even if you put creedence in this interpretation, Snoop could have drawn on any number of sources from Faust to The Picture of Dorian Gray. The analysis is not trivia, and not supported by any evidence besides someone's subjective interpretation. Remove it please.
I've added an interpretation from Jerome McGann. I hope it makes sense.--Ethicoaestheticist 19:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The Albatross
Does anyone know whether this was the origin of the term "albatross" as a sign of some heavy thing weighing over a man's conscience? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.196.27.177 (talk) 05:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC).
- The idiom is rather unusual, so it's certainly a very likely source. If there was another source, you'd think someone could reference it. --Agamemnon2 13:48, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] HELP PLEASE!!!
Hello everyone,
So my english teacher thinks that I have nothing better to do on SPRING BREAK, than to write an essay concerning Samuel Taylor Coleridge. Thing is, is that I have no idea where to start.
The topic is,
"Write a composition, in which you describe the means Coleridge employs, in the Rime Of The Ancient Mariner, to induce "A Willing Suspension of Disbelief".
You see the problem is that I haven't the slightest idea what A Willing Suspension of Disbelief IS!!!
Any help on the subject and how it relates to "A Rime...." would be greatly, greatly appreciated.
My email is georgehalse@yahoo.ca
- Try suspension of disbelief.--Ethicoaestheticist 18:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
