Talk:The Queen's College, Oxford

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I'm glad someone knows so much more about the colleges and ex-students than I do. But which David Jenkins are we talking about here? The controversial ex-Bishop of Durham or the disgraced former Olympic athlete (or someone else entirely)? Deb

Bishop Jenkins was the one. Although now having looked back I'm wondering if he shouldn't rather be in the faculty section. Unfortunately I've been adding these without a lot of thorough back-checking (hopefully I can follow up later). Hephaestos

According to the UK Who's Who, he was a student at Queen's before he became a lecturer. Pruneau 11:09, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I would prefer Queen's College, Oxford to The Queen's College, Oxford, in the same way that University of Oxford is used rather than The University of Oxford, and it is shortened to "Queen's" rather than "The Queen's". --Henrygb 22:29, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

But the "proper" abbreviation is The Queen's, just as one should never abbreviate New College to New. Hackloon 23:48, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

No, it is not, although this is a commonly-held misconception. The 'The' was inserted by John Richard Magrath, Provost 1874-1930, and is no more correct than referring to, say, Brasenose as 'The Brasenose College'.

Can anyone support this assertion? The person who added this is not registered.Bduke 09:12, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

The form on the college website [1] is "The Queen's College". This form is also displayed on signs outside the college front gate. On the University website list of colleges [2] it is listed as "Queen's College, The", being the only college to have a "The" included. However on the college website it is referred to in the non-titular text as "Queen's", and I have never heard it referred to in conversation with a "The" at the front. I would include the "The" in the title of the article at least (just to be accurate), and perhaps add a reference to its presence if what is said above about its addition is true. Actually I just found out that the full name of the college is "Hall of the Queen's Scholars at Oxford" [3] so this could be included in the first line in the same way as other Oxbridge college articles. Rmbyoung 19:02, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

I have added performance in Eights to that in Torpids, as Eights is the more important event, even though the crews are not as high on the river. This is taken from the latest Queen's College record, which has just reached me.Bduke 07:10, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Is it really correct that the College is one of the wealthiest? It certainly argues that it is not and that it is in the middle.Bduke 23:40, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't know where the Wikipedia figures come from, but if they are correct, Queen's is the seventh wealthiest college (behind St John's, Christ Church, All Souls, Magdalen, Nuffield and Merton, and Jesus being eigth). Pruneau 18:25, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Can anyone confirm that the Georges Carpentier we are talking about is the boxing champion? I didn't add him to Category:Former students of Queen's College, Oxford because I wasn't sure.Pruneau 00:59, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

The article states "The college has been strong academically for many years.", but on the only known metric - the Norrington Table - the college has long been middling to low in comparison to other colleges. --Corinthian 12:20, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

I see your point, but the Norrington Tables are open to criticism and they only cover undergraduate education. I believe Queen's is particually strong with postgraduates. However, I may have been remembering the time when Queen's had many more Scholarships than other colleges and since they were awarded before entry, the College attracted a strong academic group. How do you suggest we address this area? There should be a section on academic matters in the College. Bduke 22:55, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Userbox

I have added {{user oxon queens}}. --Bduke 01:29, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Modified to avoid putting this page into "Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: The Queen's College, Oxford". Click on link above to see the user box. Note that putting this userbox on your user page, puts you into that category. --Bduke 00:08, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scarf colours

I am probably being pedantic but I have changed the colours of the scarf to those in Academic scarf. I also earlier changed the colours in {{user oxon queens}} and {{user oxon queens current}}. I might be wrong but at least we are consistent now. If anyone thinks I am wrong, please change all occurances of the College colours. --Bduke 21:58, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Renaming categories

I've proposed to rename Category:Former students of Queen's College, Oxford and Category:Fellows of Queen's College, Oxford, to add the before Queen's College. You can discuss it here. Pruneau^talk 20:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC)