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[edit] Genre

Once again, someone is hastily editing the article for Prodigy's genre. They are NOT techno. Read the wikipedia article on Techno. Prodigy are nothing like it. They also are not punk, maybe the claim could be made they are post-punk, but they're not punk. And they WERE rave, they are not now. Right now they are Big-beat/electronica! If someone disagree, let's discuss it, instead of constantly editing the page.

"The Prodigy is a British hard dance/rave act" is rather ambiguous, especially since Wikipedia has a rather indepth categorization of electronic genres. Hard dance does not even have a page of its own. The term may very well be made up. Also, The Prodigy's original records may be an important part of the rave culture, but I do not believe it defines their act today very well.

Yet more annoying genre-change edits. This means that the genre is clearly POV, and we need to figure out a way to remove absolute genre references from the article. WMarsh 11:51, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Prodigy is definetly not "electronica". Liam Howlett have himself stated this. As for not being a rave act the fact that they still play their early rave tunes during make them a rave act. Look at http://www.nekozine.co.uk/prodigy/live/belgrade/belgrade.htm for a recent setlist. Note tunes like Out of Space, Their Law and No Good. As for hard dance being ambiguous, it is not. They definetly make dance music, and the music is harder than your average dance music. Therefor it is hard dance. As for punk they themselves called one of their releases "electronic punk" and they have several tracks which are clearly punk, such as Serial Thrilla and Fuel My Fire, the latter being a cover of another punk band's tune.

I`m surprised not to hear anything about jungle drum and bass. I mean, to me many tracks sound jungle like. Listen to the beats! They even have a song who mentions their genre, "Ruff In The Jungle Bizness". Maybe I`m wrong... but "electronica, big beat, alternative" makes me think about something like Chemical Brothers, not Prodigy. Think about some of their works: Everybody in the Place, Your Love, Ruff in the Jungle Bizbess, Rhythm of Life, Charly (drum and bass mix), Jericho, Music Reach (1-2-3-4), Hyperspeed.

See my comment at the bottom of the page, they were Rave. They played Raves up and down the country. At that point Rave had yet to really split down into Breakbeat/Hardcore, Piano, 4/4 Happy Hardcore, Ragga Rave/Jungle --> DNB etc etc. So no, they weren't drum and bass... Orbtastic 14:21, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


Of course the Prodigy are 'techno'... why do people have to nit pick all the time? 'Electronica' is a totally vague, useless term. The whole of their debut album is hardcore techno/rave music (rave itself isn't really a style of music, more an 'event'). The second album features a string of techno tracks, anyone who doesn't regard this style of music as techno, I'd like them to describe to me what they think techno actually is. Later albums could be classed as 'alternative' I guess, as the band began to move towards rockier sounds. User:DShamen 9:45, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Rave

1992's album The Prodigy Experience was described as "It has the curious distinction of being the first album to be released by a rave act. At that time, dance music albums were thought to be a fruitless endeavour." What a load of bollocks. What about Orbital, The KLF or the Future Sound of London? PoV all of it, so I moved it here -Drstuey 15:27, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Orbital, The KLF or the Future Sound of London are all house/disco influenced bunch of wannabees electronic guys with some songs that :might hypnotize you but not be inside you forever
all of the original traks including up until mftjg was produced on Moog Prodigy by korg
Lol. Three of the most acclaimed acts in the history of British dance music (including Orbital, quite possibly the most acclaimed of them all) written off as "wanabees". And what's become of The Prodigy? A second grade Sex Pistols, that's what. Anyway, never mind that, the point is we strive for accuracy and neutrality. That said, I seem to recall a similar comment being made in the music press - probably NME - at the time. Quote that and it might be a different story. --kingboyk 11:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Bizarre Inc and Altern-8 both released decent rave albums before / around the time of the Prodigy's debut. And of course, Shut Up & Dance, possibly the creators of the breakbeat hardcore sound of the early 90s. User:DShamen 10:03, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes indeed. I've actually created an article on the Altern-8 album, Full On... Mask Hysteria should anyone care to beef it up. --kingboyk 11:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] T404

I removed the factoid that Liam's first 10 demo tracks were produced on the "legendary T404". When I search Google for this, only Wikipedia mirrors return the name of this "legendary synthesizer". I suspect W30 would be the correct form, but could someone corrobate this? JFW | T@lk 16:55, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hi JFW. You are of course right, there is no T404 Roland. I meant the Roland TB-303, which this page describes as 'defining the acid sound for rave music':

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Roland%20corporation

For further confirmation, try googling for: roland TB-303 prodigy

My confusion came about because there is a software synthesizer called T404, in homage to the contributions of the TB-303...

Thanks for pointing it out. I'll make the change.

Ire and curses 20:41, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)


does anyone know what song of their's is in that new car commercial? it is the one where there are a bunch of cars zooming around each other, nearly hitting one another. Thanks

"You'll Be Under My Wheels" I think. --Sp82 14:48, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Smack my bitch up

Oughtn't there be some mention of the controversy surrounding the "Smack my Bitch Up" song and video? 209.114.249.74 15:09, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I concur about about lack of mention of the song. I came from the "bitch" article hoping to find more about the song with no luck --Leonsimms 16:44, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

I think the article should point out that in the video all the violence (against men and women) was performed by a woman. 193.198.150.230 23:17, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

This section contains spoilers. The whole point of the music video is about how people stereotype, and it ruins it if the ending is spoiled.

[edit] [sic]?

From the article:

"HOW CAN THE GOVERNMENT STOP YOUNG PEOPLE HAVING A GOOD TIME. FIGHT THIS BOLLOCK'S."
Can we get a scan of the liner notes and see if that misplaced apostrophe at the end was really there? Rufous 18:43, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
I checked my copy (UK CD) and there's no apostrophe - I've fixed the article accordingly. StephenHildrey 17:20, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Genre, II

I'v edited the genre again, I surely have read the discussion, but it's plain stupid that people who have absolutely no idea about this start making edits.

A: The Prodigy's early releases are prime examples of RAVE music. This music genre is the predecessor of Happy hardcore, and anyone that knows what HH sounds like, should thus see the similarities.

B: Their genre has evolved through Music for the Jilted Generation and Fat of the Land, to BIG BEAT. Please, ask anyone that has some understanding of the bigbeat genre for an example artist, and you'll get either The Prodigy or The Chemical Brothers.

Sure, genres shouldn't be all that absolute, but The Prodigy are such clear examples, that we obviously don't need any goofs making edits such as 'techno' or 'electronica' These terms are just abused too much by those who don't have the slightest understanding of EDM and it's history. Sadly these people make up the majority of Prodigy fans nowadays...

I concur, they were massive on the rave scene and as that died off due to the CJB in '94, they were pigeon holed as big beat. Huge crossover appeal though, you'd regularly hear them at all sorts of different music events Orbtastic 20:09, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Is there not a case for simply not categorizing them, qualifying it with the fact that there have been so many categories that their music fits into, but no one category that defines them all? Either that, or list them all, with the remark that there are so many genres that apply, that fans and the band alike are unable to pigeon hole them. If someone asked me for a "BIGBEAT" artist, I would say Fatboy Slim. If you asked me what the Prodigy were I'd say Hard Dance, because I got into them at the No Good Start the Dance era. The UK doesn't really recognize Electronica as a genre.Andymarczak 08:41, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Hard dance isn't a genre, see Hard dance. And it doesn't mater how you feel about the prodigy, it is what they make. I agree that electronica is a to vague therm and should only be used if no more specific genre exists. I totally don't agree with the idea that the prodigy can be labeled as rock or any form of rock. I also fail to see how they can be labeled as Hardcore. And it's not rave, a rave is an event. The genre is called Rave music.

[edit] THE CASTBREEDER

Shouldn't we include in the article some facts about "The Castbreeder"? It was released near the end of 1998 and it was supposed to be a Prodigy album. However, it has absolutely nothing to do with the Prodigy (it mostly contains live versions of Junkie XL’s Saturday Teenage Kick album). For more info on this subject, take a look at the net, and especially at The Claustrophobic Prodigy Page

[edit] Alli Maclnnes merge discussion

All other former live members of The Prodigy have their own page, plus I think that, seeing as she has/had another band, it would be unfair to clutter this article with more than a name-check. ◄ИΞШSΜΛЯΞ►

Errr NO, She is technically a band memeber and therefore the article about her (as it stands at the moment)should be included in the Prodigy acticle, however a more indepth article about her should be created just like the other memebers of the Prodigy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.96.45.154 (talk • contribs) 15:11, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Are you suggesting the full text of every single member and former members' articles should be included here? ◄ИΞШSΜΛЯΞ►
No Newsmare, not the FULL text, just a brief version of that and then an article on them individually. But as her article is so small it might as well be totally included. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.96.45.154 (talk • contribs) 20:18, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, it's either totally included or it's not. You can't say "not the FULL text" and then say the article "might as well be totally included". Make a choice: merge or keep. ◄ИΞШSΜΛЯΞ► 23:18, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep and expand biography article. Sulfur 05:55, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep and expand. I can't personally see where you would inject the relevant information. ◄ИΞШSΜΛЯΞ► 23:18, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep and expand biography article. cun 23:02, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another genre problem

I noticed that nobody has mentioned to add "rock music" to the genres or music that the Prodigy play, so I've added that into the genre section of their article. User:beno1000

It's unclear to me where you got the idea that the Prodigy play rock music. They really don't, and all I can think off is that you interpret the guita samples in Voodoo People as rock ? Please give us some arguments about this, because i fail to see what is "rock" about the Prodigy. (Punk vocal elements have been mentioned already, if that's what you're trying to say?) --Prodigital 13:42, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Rave, dance, and big beat are fairly safe genres to use and easily justified. "Punk" is arguable and a possible inclusion. "Techno", also borderline I think; I know there are tracks such as "One Love" and others on Jilted Generation which could fit that genre but they're also the last breaths of rave in a way, and it wasn't long before the Prodigy had moved on to their new sound (Fat of the Land onwards, I'd argue). As for rock - I really don't think so. Not as a primary genre. Of course they've dabbled with guitarists and rock sounds, but they've never been a straightforward rock band imho. Considering the infobox ought to contain the genres with which they are most closely associated, not every genre they've ever had a play with I think, there is a case to be made for restricting it to the first 3. --kingboyk 21:47, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Most people just seem them as rave/comedy rave in the early part and a cross of Rock/punk/dance later genres have no true definitions so just keep it simple yeah? Owwmykneecap 03:05, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I've seen them a few times over the last couple of years and everytime I've seen them they've incoroporated more and more live work into their sets. The recent performance at Donnington could well've been described as a rock act doing dance music, by the uneducated of course. The live sound does seem to becoming a lot heavier though.

[edit] Articles about the singles

I've finally finished creating good foundation work in the articles about the singles by The Prodigy. Anyone has something to add? cun 14:00, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Split

A page full of a big list of albums and singles, based on timeline of release, would be awesome. Brief info on each with a link to each's own article for it too would be nice JayKeaton 10:10, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree, its clogging the whole page. --Dr. Pizza 19:13, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes. They have too many singles to diplay on that page. It's needs its own.

A separate discography page would make sense, given the size of the present article.
Derek R Bullamore 23:15, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] UK vs England revert war

What's going on guys? Robogymnast 18:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Smokin' Aces

Should we add something in here about how their song "First Warning" was used in the film Smokin' Aces? 71.164.135.64 09:17, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

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