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[edit] Odyssey Comparison

The line "...and finally arriving home to the mother of a son he never knew." is incorrect with respect to Homer's The Odyssey. Odysseus knew of his son Telemachus before he went to fight at Troy. In fact, that was one of the reasons that Odysseus didn't wish to leave for Troy was because of his wife and newborn son. Darwin's Bulldog 06:34, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

• Feel free to edit the article and weed out that kind of stuff. I liked the movie, but I think whoever wrote some of this stuff was getting a little carried away with analogies to famous literary works and legends. The original book was simply supposed to be a dark satire. Wahkeenah 19:13, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
• I corrected the error. While leaving the analogy in the article, I removed the obvious mistake. Darwin's Bulldog 00:50, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Odysseus had fond memories of his tryst with that one nymph who drew in men, as Larry Miller might say, the way a powerful magnet attracts cheap metal: "Aye, Calypso, I sing to your spirit, the men who have served you, so long and so well!" (Somewhere John Denver is cringing). :) Wahkeenah 01:01, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Roy + Iris in the Movie

Sorry--I remembered this question from when I saw the movie way back in the day, but I don't have the two hours to watch it now.. In the movie, when Roy meets Iris again, does he realize that it's Iris from his youth? I can't remember, but it seemed to me (from my old, tired memory) that he didn't know it was her? Thanks, in advance. Madmaxmarchhare 23:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

• He knew. He saw her in the stands and it jolted him out of his hitting slump. Wahkeenah 01:27, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Did he know immediately that the kid was his? Madmaxmarchhare 19:10, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Not till she told him. Wahkeenah 12:00, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed split

The film-related material is a big part of this article, and it makes sense to split it off because it has its own history and cultural impact. My only concerns are that 1) it might be a little tricky to separate the two within the later sections, and 2) the novel page would probably end up a bit short and need to be fleshed out again. Karen | Talk | contribs 04:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

• Realistically, I suspect that the interest in the film far outweighs interest in the book. And then there is the question of how you handle differences between the book and the film, i.e. which of the two articles do you put it in? For The Wizard of Oz, there are separate pages, but that makes sense because each has a lot of material. I'm not so sure splitting this book-film page into two pages is the way to go. Wahkeenah 05:20, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
• If not, then the introduction needs to be reworked to acknowledge that this article is about both. Right now, I've got an opening that tells me only that it's a novel. Then I see a list of sections telling me that I can read about the musical score (for a novel?), the plot (which does not give the plot of the novel; it gives the plot of the film), pop culture references (the novel on its own is not pop culture relevant; it's the film that is), and criticism (which offers barely a mention of the novel but rather dicusses criticism of the film). Mwelch 02:59, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
• I suspect that a lot more people have seen the film than have read the book. I did read it, and found it very cynical. The movie is quite different; not just in the way the film ends, but also in how he revered his father vs. in the book where he really didn't know his father very well. I'm not sure I'm qualified to discuss the book in depth, since it has been 20 years since I read it. But you make a good point that the article needs to be done better if it intends to discuss both versions. Wahkeenah 03:05, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
• One article, specifically written to indicate that it deals with the novel AND the film. Vidor 20:35, 19 November 2006 (UTC)