Talk:The Mirage

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Contents 1 Title of article 2 "Major blow" 3 notable attractions? 4 Marquee 5 Trivia

[edit] Title of article

I thought it made more sense to have this article at its original title, Mirage (hotel and casino), in keeping with the style used for other casinos with ambiguous names. (Sometimes it's phrased a little differently, as with Excalibur Hotel and Casino, but that's the general approach.) Whoever moved it didn't change the links to the original title. Does anyone see a reason to keep this article here? If not, I'll see to moving it back. JamesMLane 09:21, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Done, all links fixed. JamesMLane 21:21, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Might have been me, history lost in the move and re-move. "The Mirage" seems like the official name, they use it in their text, and their mailing address is "The Mirage / 3400 S. Las Vegas Blvd. / Las Vegas, NV 89109". In general we want to prefer an official name, if it's unambiguous, over a disambiguated form (thus President of the United States not President (US)). Stan 03:57, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I moved this to "Mirage Las Vegas" because that seems to be an official name, at least according to their web site. As Stan said, we prefer an official name over a disambiguated form. Nohat 07:35, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I don't know if I believe "Mirage Las Vegas" is an official name. From previous poking around I've noticed that the websites are often very confused about terminology, not surprising since they're cobbled together by successive generations of marketroids and website admins. Mailing addresses and court papers are better sources for names sans marketingspeak. One of these days someone should get energetic and just call them on the phone... Stan 14:04, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I agree with preferring the official name, but if, as Stan points out, the subject of the article has left some uncertainty about what the official name is, then there's an advantage to putting the article where people will look for it, and where other editors are likely to link to it. We use the "(hotel and casino)" form on several of our similar articles. Phoning the place wouldn't be at all definitive -- I'd imagine you could get one answer in the morning and then a different one a few hours later when the first person is out to lunch. JamesMLane 15:44, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Heh heh... If one were to actually do this, one would have to locate the right person, most likely in public relations, because they're the ones in charge of "I don't care what you say about me, just as long as you spell my name right", and deal with journalists and proofreaders and such all the time. Practically speaking, I should think a casino's PR person would be ecstatic to find out that a) WP has an article on them, and b) we want to be accurate. Stan 01:52, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The PR people would want to see whatever they judged would sound best, not what was actually true, even if they knew what was true, which they probably wouldn't. Your suggestion, though, got me to thinking: Whom would I trust to be right on a nitpicky detail like this? As a lawyer, I concluded that the answer was: lawyers, particularly those going over the company's SEC filings. I should've thought of this before. I checked the EDGAR database and found the most recent Form 10-K from MGM Mirage (view it here). In "ITEM 1. BUSINESS" it includes a list of the company's properties. (Search for "Bellagio" and it's the first hit.) Based on that listing, I'm reversing my previous position and agreeing that the official name for the volcano joint is "The Mirage". Therefore, our article should go there. The official name for the one with the lake is simply "Bellagio". We can't put our article at that title, though, because of ambiguity, so we should disambiguate using the conventions established for other such articles, by moving it back to Bellagio (hotel and casino). That's also where all the links point now, anyway. The Mirage links, however, are all to Mirage (hotel and casino); I reluctantly conclude that we should change them, after moving the article to The Mirage. Is this resolution acceptable to everyone? JamesMLane 13:42, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Good thinking! That should be mentioned somewhere on the naming conventions pages, as a way to sort dubious names. Stan 16:19, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Well, give that the name on the building is The Mirage in the picture on the page that seems reasonable. Vegaswikian 06:38, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No one has objected to my suggestion, so I'm moving the article to The Mirage. I'll start the project of changing the links but I may not finish them all today, and everyone else is welcome to join the fun. JamesMLane 04:19, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC) Well, I thought I could move it, since The Mirage is just a redirect, but it wouldn't let me, presumably because of the history. I'll do a formal request for page move. JamesMLane 04:34, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. There may well be a book or movie named "The Mirage" (though none spring to mind). In that case this should be moved elsewhere but for now I agree that The Mirage is the best place for this casino. violet/riga (t) 17:43, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Fixed most redirects. Did not do the page with a VfD. Vegaswikian 20:42, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Major blow"

I don't think anybody knowledgeable could think that losing Siegfried & Roy was not a major blow to the Mirage, that's working just a little too hard to excise opinion. Making summarized assessments is a part of history writing - we have thousands of history articles that do this, they in turn get their assessments from respected books and journal articles. If the assessment is controversial (the cause of the American Civil War), we attribute the opinions, but if they're not controversial, we just state them and don't worry about it. Stan 3 July 2005 12:38 (UTC)

[edit] notable attractions?

is "Aquarium" really an attraction here? Sure, it's nice and all behind the front desk, but it's no "Shark Reef". I don't see people lining up to look at it as they do the Volcano or the White Tiger exhibit. Do you? SpikeJones 11:46, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Marquee

The article ways that The Mirage is home to the largest free standing marquee in the world. From my understanding, that bit of trivia belongs to The Hilton Las Vegas. Anyone else agree? Guy M 11:15, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

"The Mirage does not have a wedding chapel."

How is that interesting at all? That's like saying there isn't an airport in the mirage

Nearly all of the LV megacasinos incorporate a wedding chapel - the Mirage is therefore unusual in not having one. (The article should make it clearer that this is not the norm for casinos of its type.) Stan 02:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)