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[edit] classes

i removed all the class information, its a simple copy paste from the turbine website, that isn't the way it works on wikipedia. Boneyard 09:35, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

I added a generic description of each class that should be slightly less plaguristic in nature. Dabigdeez 14:27, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey this is Forodmegil from the forums, someone needs to edit the official release date in the top,it says 2006 but it has been set back to spring 2007.

About Closed Beta.. next to the release date I saw (citation needed). Not quite sure what that means, I checked on Wikipedia, can't find anything of use. In any case, this page from the official site states it began on the 8th, not 12th, of september. So I took the liberty of editing that and removing the (citation needed) tag.

I've also edited the Facts section a bit. I've clarified what MP is about and changed the Player crafting will take precedence over the elite raiding of boss-type monsters in the acquisition of high-end character equipment. part, because it was a false statement. Incase someone needs a citation, check this forum post, by one of the Developers.

No, about the beta, I just decided to break the NDA. It began on the 12th and was announced on the 8th. Trust me i was there :).

While some of the info on this article (and talk page) can be found on the Turbine site, alot of it is speculative, derived from breached NDAs, and/or just plain wrong. In cases like this I would generally say that 'less is more'... until the game is actually released there is no reason to have anything more here than general information that they have officially announced. Wikipedia isn't a 'scoop' site and shouldn't try to be, because 'inside scoops' are inherently unverifiable. 'Turbine has said XYZ', is verifiable, but until the game is released nothing else is. --CBD 16:15, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
The NDA was lifted yesterday (2/12/07). I've updated the burgler class info with what I've collected in the beta thus far, that may change quite a bit yet. I don't really have much on the other classes.

[edit] screens and pics

I think we need to add some pics here, do any of you know where we can get hold of some GNU licenced screens?

Thats a nice pic, but i don't think it really captures the feel of the game. We need another one.

I stuck a nice one on there, but it's off the turbine website, so im not sure about the copyright. the previous picture was also off the turbine website so im presuming the same copyright applies. somebody might want to check though

[edit] "Criticism" vandal

Just because you are angry at the modding staff doesn't give you the right to vandalize. Who are you, Adam Smith?

Do it again I'll report you.

BTW: Anyone care to add an accurate Criticism section? Because there is lots.

- Maybe something about the game being strange blend of WoW and GW? I am playing it for weeks and didn't see new thing to excite me, beside nice MIddle-Earth scenery...

[edit] Stress test

Not really relevant to the article, I removed it. Even if it was to be here, it does not belong at the top.

-Forodmegil

Maybe not the best place to talk about the stress tests but it has started, as for today I've received the e-mail that confirm my own key. And the subscription key will be expired the 24th April 2007, the up-to-now, known date of it's release. One can use to method to download of the stress tests client, by bittorrent or by HTTP transfer (they advise the use of a download manager because it's a heavy piece, 2.8 gig) --Zerat ca 23:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] monthly subscritption

any one know whether u need to pay a monthly fee to play this game? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.46.166.10 (talk) 20:14, 21 January 2007 (UTC).

answer to this is in this FAQ[1] (precisely at number 3 and 9) --Zerat ca 06:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Added reference section and official release date

Reuters today reported the officially expected release date as April 24, 2007. I ammended the relevant portions of the article to reflect that date.

Also, in the course of doing that, I added a Reference section using ref tags. I notice the article has a bunch of generic external links, but no in-line footnote citations. I'd recommend that the references for the article be cleaned up a bit and placed as footnotes using the ref tags. It looks a bit cleaner, and also allows editors to easily match up which reference is being used to verify which piece of information. Dugwiki 16:23, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What to add

Hum hum, let's discuss what to add

67.175.107.187 19:26, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Additions - NDA Lifted

This article needs to be expanded badly. Somebody should write a section about Crafting, and a section about music playing. All the locales in the game also need to be documented and explained. Since the NDA was lifted, everything and anything is free game to write about. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.81.80.163 (talk) 06:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC).

Just remember that Wikipedia is not a game guide. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 06:27, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
FYI, the section you're referring to, Instruction manuals, says that "...Wikipedia articles should not include instructions or advice (legal, medical, or otherwise), suggestions, or contain "how-to"s. This includes tutorials, walk-throughs, instruction manuals, video game guides, and recipes. ...." So the article shouldn't contain quest walkthroughs, for example, or give advice on how to level up. However, it's probably acceptable to include basic information about classes, the crafting system, and various things that might make this game stand out from other games in the same genre. Dugwiki 17:55, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
And I linked it as "Wikipedia is not a game guide".... --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 02:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Right, and I was clarifying what the section says since you didn't really get into much detail what you were talking about. Dugwiki 16:33, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Open Beta

The article states it begins on March 30th, however it is currently feb 16th and open beta has already begun. perhaps this should be changed? Shadows604 03:50, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

no, the beta that is running now is the close beta.Varcety 12:53, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok thanks for clearing that up Shadows604 06:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Currently, there is only an open beta for European players. This article refers to the american one, I think. Lifeisagame247 00:55, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reformatted class and facts sections (now gameplay)

I took the liberty of reformatting the class and facts (now gameplay features) sections. I consolidated the standard data points for classes into a single table, to make it easier for readers to compare class features side-by-side, and moved all the reference links to the reference section. I also converted the Facts section from a bullet point list to paragraph prose format (since paragraphs are generally preferred for Wiki articles to bullet point lists as a matter of style preference).

Finally, I omitted the specific lists of skills for classes since they appeared to be simply a list of skill names with no context of meaning to the reader. (It just listed the name of a skill but had no explanation of why a reader would need to know or be interested in this information.) That level of skill name detail seemed pretty excessive, and moreover isn't really worthwhile to a reader unless they already are playing the game and know what those skills do.

Hope it looks better, but feel free to alter or ammend. Dugwiki 21:28, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MMORPG Speak

I just wanted to add that this article is quite unclear about the terms it uses and most likely, the average wiki reader who comes upon this article will be confused by 'Role: Nuker' and 'Role: Buffer/Healer'

Not everyone spends their life playing MMORPGs...

I noticed the same thing the other day while I was reformatting the character class section. The terms used in the "Role" lines for the classes are mainly MMORPG gamer terms and might not be familiar to a layman. In addition, I'm concerned that those qualifications might be subjective opinion on the part of the original author. It therefore might make sense to either clean up or remove the role lines entirely so that the information they present is both verifiable and easier for non-MMORPG gamers to understand. Dugwiki 19:27, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps adding links to the meaning of those words would help clear up the confusion and be better then removing the line completely. Shadows604 04:59, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Staying true to the mythos? Not at all.

It should be noted that staying true to the mythos is far from a focal point in this MMO. The 'political correctness' of the character design screen alone shows us obese elves through to the southern Kingdoms being represented as 'south america' with people of black complexion, odd given that the archetypal setting of the entire mythos was a small portion of England. They've really made a mess of the myth, I can't believe JRRT's family signed off on this tripe. 211.30.71.59 05:16, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a soapbox and Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 11:25, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Actually the LOTR mythos took place in what can be considered Europe. Indeed, if you read further into the material that involves LOTR you will find that there are lands far to the south of Gondor, which could be considered placed (roughly) in Africa. Although I'd agree that people from the more southern parts of Middle-Earth are set to be darker by default, it should be noted that a variety of skin colors, hair, and eye colors are given for players to choose from which can used to change the character from looking 'south american' to looking more light skinned. 202.216.127.149 11:24, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Addition of links

Why is the current set of external links fixed and Wirbelwind wont allow any other links except these to be added, seems like favoritism here, the set of unofficial links here in no way gives an accurate representation of current and update to date unofficial links, if you wont list all the good ones, dont list any. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.215.116.247 (talk) 02:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

Favoritism? I don't know any of those sites and I don't play the game, so how can it be favoritism? But you're right, there's too many fan sites there, and feel free to remove all but one as per WP:MOS. Actually, I'll remove them. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 03:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
How's that? --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 03:10, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Wirblewind is not the only one removing fan sites, Six links is more then enough, it is supposed to be a summary list not a complete list of all sites and forums on the internet. Shadows604 04:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Turbine has their own list of approved fansites. I removed all existing links to fansites and added a link to Turbine's approved list of fansite. Either this wiki includes that entire list or just link to it, don't be selective about it. I also added links to the Turbine's forums. If there is a Euro Fansite list by turbine we should add a link to that as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.134.136.4 (talk) 18:29, 2 April 2007 (UTC).
That's more or less perfect. However, if Turbine's main site is linked, then their forum doesn't really need to be. Just looked at what you did. Not 100% sure if it fits the guidelines of MOS, but I like it nonetheless. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 21:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
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