Talk:The Lone Ranger
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A FEW ITEMS THAT OUGHT TO HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE ARTICLE . . .
The article points out that some folks have suggested that Tonto was of Apache origin and that there are hints in the radio version that he was Pottawatomi. Correct! But we should also mention that there are occasional references in the TV version to his having been Cheyenne. Indeed, while watching the TV show as a kid, I and all my fellow LR fans were under the impression that he was Cheyenne.
Also: On the radio version, the Lone Ranger and Tonto always called EACH OTHER Kemo Sabe.
One more remark: I grew up with a very positive image of Native Americans. I thought Native Americans (well, we called them Indians) were cool. I credit the Lone Ranger TV show for that. I dug Tonto.
Tom 129.93.29.10 06:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
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The discussion of the story of how the heroes obtained their horses sounds much like what is called in the world of comic books a retcon – a rewrite of the fictional "past events" of characters to make them fit their universe's current "realities". Anyone know if this is the case here? Of course, I really don't remember the radio show, just the TV one. Rlquall 06:05, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Moved from article:
It is well known that George W. Trendle did NOT create the Lone Ranger and the continuing characters. This erroneous idea originated when Trendle bought out Striker's interest in The Lone Ranger show for a tiny amount of money and a long term contract. After that event, Trendle took public credit for the character. It is simply not true. --Calton | Talk 00:11, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
redirected Kemosabe to The Lone Ranger Themindset 19:58, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Another Fran Striker series
If you read the Lone Ranger books, you may like another adventure series written by Fran Striker: the Tom Quest series. Like the Lone Ranger, it's a juvenile series for boys but it's really very well written and a fun read. --FWDixon 11:39, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] John Reid?
Is it true that John Reid was *never* mentioned? I know it's not impossible for so many sources to be wrong, but at least two sources pinpoint a 1953 anniversary radio broadcast (retelling the origin) as specifically identifying the ranger as John Reid, *plus* reviews/credits for the 1981 movie The Legend of the Lone Ranger all mention John Reid. I'll try to check the radio broadcast, which I have on tape, but if anyone else can or would care to check on this (see the movie, for example), it would be greatly appreciated. Aleal 00:01, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The name John was never mentioned on the radio program or the tv show. Anyone who knew who the Lone Ranger really was referred to him only as "Reid." A book was published in 1966 about old-time radio and mentioned the name "John." That is the first known mention of the name. Since then the name John Reid has appeared in the liner notes of a 1978 children's record album, the 1981 "Legend of the Lone Ranger" movie, and, most recently, the 2006 comic book series from Dynamite Entertainment. [1]Michael.douglas.dean
[edit] Kemosabe = Quien no sabe?
I heard a story years ago which attempted to explain the meaning of the name "Kemosabe." According to this story, Tanto's tribe spoke a pidgin version of Spanish, learned from Spanish priests. Tonto's name was "Aguila Brava" or Brave Eagle. After he had known the Lone Ranger for a while, he started calling him "Kemosabe" and told him it meant "faithful friend." The Lone Ranger had the name inscribed on all his possessions, including his saddle and his boots. While riding through a small village one day, an old man started laughing at the Lone Ranger and pointing to his saddle. When asked what was so funny, the old man said, "Kemosabe means 'he who knows nothing.'" This was a mispronunciation of the Spanish "Quien no sabe nada" which is a question meaning "Who knows nothing?" Upon hearing this, the Lone Ranger was furious. He told the man that Kemosabe meant "faithful friend." The old man said that whoever had told him that was stupid ("tonto" in Spanish). The Lone Ranger confronted Aguila Brava and called him "Tonto." From that day, Aguila Brava accepted the name as punishment for playing a prank on his "faithful friend."
It's probably not true, but the coincidence of Tonto's name being Spanish and the similarity between Kemosabe and Quien No Sabe are enough to make it worth mentioning.
[edit] Dan Reid revealed he was the same from the LR in a 1947 of the GH show
A 1947 episode had Dan Reid reveal to his son their relationship to the illustrious man of the Old West.
[edit] The Lone Ranger was not lone!
If it was the Lone Ranger and Tonto, he wasn't lone! Tonto counts as a person, surely? 86.131.28.45 23:17, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
He was the last of the Ranger group killed in the canyon ambush, hence the 'Lone' Ranger.
Precisely. Tonto was not a Ranger. Reid was the "Lone" Ranger, not the "Alone" Ranger. And don't forget their horses. Wahkeenah 20:01, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "¿Quien no sabe?"
Most everything about "kemo sabe" in the article either makes sense, is common knowledge, or is easily verified. To equate that phrase to "quien no sabe" sounds like guesswork. If you can find a reference to it, other than sites that mirror this one, cite it. Wahkeenah 14:19, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Well written
This article is very well written and fun to read. There's something at the beginning that says it's not "formal tone" appropriate to "encyclopedias." If by "formal tone" they mean "extremely boring" then they're right. This article is great and should not be rewritten to satisfy those who have no fun in life. 69.227.3.212 23:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Horses' Origins
I added the info on Tonto's horse, White Feller, and Scout's origin from the radio episodes "Four Day Ride" and "Border Dope Smuggling." I don't know the accuracy of the other information, about Silver returning from Wild Horse Canyon with Scout. I have not heard any such episode, but I haven't heard every episode, so I left it for someone else to decide. The story of Silver's origin is accurate, except the episode that aired September 9, 1938 was "Trouble at Fort Gardner," and it did not deal with Silver's origin. Michael.douglas.dean
[edit] "Inappropriate Tone?" and "John?"
I, too, see nothing overly informal about the tone, and further state that I see no significant difference in that regard between this and the Green Hornet article, which carries no such note.
As for the claim of the Ranger's first name, I have an audio tape of a radio retelling of the origin, narrated by Fred Foy and therefore reasonably late in the run (the original airdate is not specified), and neither brother's first name is stated, and the same is true for the three-part TV series opener that also tells the origin (Fall 1949). Indeed, in the latter case dialogue is somewhat clumsy in order to avoid using them (or at least the Ranger's). I am the one that added the statement that a Fran Striker obit and a Gold Key comic book both called the younger Reid "Dan," and saw both with my own eyes. The bottom line point here is that the only thing that "John" and "Dan" have going for them to be more official than, say, the names used in the WB network TV-movie is the fact they are tied to the surname "Reid" which WAS established by the Lone Ranger's creators way back when, but those first names themselves are as much after-the-fact creations as the others, and this is how any academic reference work should describe the situation. Ted Watson 21:27, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Conflicting claims in Fran Striker's obituary & here on Wikipedia
According to Fran Striker's obituary in the New York Times, he started "Lone Ranger" in Buffalo for WBEN (misidentified by the NYT as WBER), where it was first broadcast, and then sold it to WXYZ. This doesn't square with your account. Comments? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Guybrarian (talk • contribs) 02:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC).
Also, the Fran Striker article here on Wikipedia gives the details of the first broadcast in Buffalo. I stand corrected--the station misidentified by the NYT was not WBEN but WEBR.
- I don't think the NYTimes obit is sufficient proof that "Lone Ranger," under that name, was already broadcast elsewhere. Then and now, even the NYT has made massive errors or poorly sourced info on obituaries when dealing with creative issues. While there will no doubt continue to be some ambiguity about the Lone Ranger's "creation," Dick Osgood's book WXYZ Wonderland, which includes accounts from Striker's family and just about all sides on the issue, discusses how Striker's earlier series was a "covered wagon days" serial. Many of the plots were in fact recycled for The Lone Ranger, but the actual *figure* of a masked hero called the Lone Ranger, post dates it. Citation would help the article, though (I admit, I'm too lazy and busy with other things to do it right now myself). -- Aleal 04:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Actually, partially amending that, there's also this NY Times obit of actor John L. Barrett. It gives him credit for being the first Lone Ranger, but on "Covered Wagon Days," not a series of its own. Hmmm. This is all new to me, and seems to recquire more research. User:Movieresearch added the claim to the Striker page, but his sources aren't clear. Things for someone to ponder. -- Aleal 04:23, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
