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[edit] = Hermes

Hermes needs to be set up as disambiguation page since it normally applies to - not the card game referred to in this article - but the political subdivision of the reorganized tribes of Athens during the initial period of the creation of democracy in ancient Athens...

It's origin predates either Critias or Plato by more than 200 years. Stevenmitchell 01:20, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Are the Legendary Dragon cards Magic cards or Monsters?

I think they are monsters, but I could be wrong. Here are some reasons: (1) My main reason is that in the episode where Kaiba is dueling Alister, and he gets Critias and fuses him with Crush Card Virus, Alister says "you can't fuse a monster with a trap card". Critias and Crush Card Virus were the only cards on Kaiba's field. If Crush Card Virus was the trap card, and Critias was the only other card on Kaiba's feild, doesn't that mean Critias has to be the monster Alister was referring to?(2) In two separate scenes, one where Yugi was using Timeaus to attack the Leviathan's weakened form, and one where Kaiba was battling the Orichalcos Soldiers with Critias, both Timaeus and Critias were shown attacking by themselves without being fused with anything. Only monsters can attack, not spell (magic) cards. Magic cards can only affect monsters, not attack them.(3) In that same scene, where Kaiba was battling the Orichalcos Soldiers, he summoned the Fang of Critias in the exact same way that he summoned Blue-Eyes, and Blue-Eyes is a known monster card.(4) I'm not completely sure if I remember this one correctly, but I think when Yugi was dueling Rafael for the first time in "Fate of the Pharoah", when Guardian Eatos used his sword to absorb the power of Yugi's monsters from his graveyard, Timaeus was shown as one of the monsters being absorbed.(5) The color of all of the legendary dragon cards is shown as blue, which is the color of a ritual ''monster'' card, not a ritual spell card. A ritual spell card, or any spell card for that matter, would be green, not blue. (6)They are shown, when fused with another monster or magic or trap card, to have attack points. This could be attack points from the other monster, however, Critias was shown to have attack points when fused with a trap or magic card, and magic and trap cards don't have attack points, so Critias, and by extension the other dragons, seem to have attack points of thier own, and because of that, must be monsters. (7) The Legendary Knights have attack points, and even in the article, are considered monsters. Why would the Legendary Knights be monsters if the Legendary Dragons are not? The magic card Legend of Heart would not change the card type, it only changes the form of the dragons from dragon to knight. Even the Winged Dragon of Ra, which is another monster that has two forms, does not change card type when it changes forms. Whether it is the Winged Dragon of Ra or the Egyptian God Phoenix, it is still a monster. (8) Lastly, Yugi, Kaiba, and Joey all found the dragons in the "monster world". If they weren't monsters, why would the Legendary Dragons have been in the monster world?

However, I do agree that they are shown being used as if they were magic cards. This is most likely because the duelists wanted the extra power that comes from using these dragons for their special effects, instead of using them alone to attack. So, they immediately used the dragon's effects as soon as they summoned them, instead of attacking with them. Some people would say that the form of the name, i.e. "Fang of Critias", would imply that these are magic cards, but other monster cards have that form of name, such as "Curse of Dragon". Also, because they were primarily shown being used for thier special effects, i.e., as a magic card would be, doesn't mean they are magic cards. There have been other cards in the series used simply for their special effects and never once used to attack, such as Kaiba's ''Ancient Lamp'', but it is certainly still a monster.

So, all this together leads me to believe that they are monsters who, in practice, were simply used for their special effects instead of as a monster. I will change the article to reflect this.

Does anyone else out there have any other information on this? Anything from official sources that would say whether they are or aren't monster cards?

Miamiamyrose 12:48, 3 September 2006 (UTC)