Talk:The Hitchers

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This article was nominated for deletion on 26 December 2006. The result of the discussion was Keep.

I have re-created the disambiguation page and references to "The Hitchers" from Teesside, as there is a significant potential for confusion as the Teeside Hitchers have an album for sale on Amazon, and are releasing another album in January. Cpmartin 12:33, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

If The Hitchers (band from Teesside) is to be deleted, then this page should be deleted too, as this band does not count as noteworthy as it does not have "multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble". If The Hitchers (band from Teesside) is deleted, I will move to have this page deleted as well, as the two bands are no less noteworthy than each other. Cpmartin 10:08, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Please do not delete this article. There appears to be some confusion with this band (from Ireland and in existence since 1989) and a band in the UK who are illegally operating under the same name; ‘The Hitchers’. I have added more release information and a link to the BBC John Peel Hitchers page and an NME review to help assuage any doubt as to the bone fides of the band. Airwave 14:45, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Interesting. The strength of the above statements suggests strong personal feeling. I would be very interested to know exactly which law there is that states two bands can't have the same name. Cpmartin 15:19, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

As you removed the PROD tag, this counts as contesting the deletion. I have therefore added an AFD tag. Let's see what happens next. Cpmartin 16:51, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Neutrality 2 Requested move 2.1 Survey 2.1.1 Survey - Support votes 2.1.2 Survey - Oppose votes 2.2 Discussion

[edit] Neutrality

This page looks like it was written by a band member, and there are no verifiable links to back-up any of the statements in the "History" section. The end of this section is practically a gig list, and the last statement is a rumour generator placed by a band member to try and generate excitement. Simple mentions of "fantastic reviews" that are not backed-up cannot count as verifiable unless someone can show otherwise. This also goes for the "Limerick Event Guide" that is quoted, which could easily have been written by the band themselves, and cannot count as verifiable. Cpmartin 10:08, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree, some of the language and entries are rather 'fluffy', I will edit the less encyclopedic statements and make them 'drier'. I am not a member of this band. Airwave 14:45, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Not a member of the band eh? Methinks he doth protest too much. Especially when he uses the word "illegal" so quickly... As Airwave appears to be the creator of this page, and has edited little else according to his contributions list, I have a strong suspicion from the way it is written that he at least has a strong personal connection with the band. Cpmartin 15:32, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I have worked with this band, amongst others, over the years as a sound engineer in Xeric studios, Limerick. The name, 'The Hitchers', is copyright and is a trademark like in any other business. Whether or not the facts represented in the article can be considered vain or not is of no consequence, as they are simply facts. My intention with this article was to recount the exploits of what I consider to be a noteworthy band. With respect, please do not make this a personal issue. I do not assume to know you and I regard being accused a liar as rather offensive. Airwave 15:53, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

You have just admitted your personal connection with the band, so my suggestion was correct. Moreover, the use of the name is not illegal, as copyright and trademark are civil matters that would have to be decided in court, which as far as I know has never happened in this case. The consideration of the band's locations in different countries, and the times they started using the names in said (and other) countries would have to be taken into account before determining who violated the copyright of whom, and where. Last time I checked, Wikipedia did not accept facts that were "simply facts" unless they are verifiable. I maintain that there is a large quantity of unreferenced material and that the band are no more or less noteworthy than The Hitchers from Teesside. Cpmartin 16:12, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I would like to know why are you attacking this article (and me) in such an agressive manner. I know of nothing that I have done to personally offend you and warrant this behaviour. Airwave 17:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I am not attacking the article aggressively, and I am not attacking you at all. I am pointing out your association with the band. Anyway, that isn't relevant, what matters is the lack of notability, and lack of verifiable sources. This is why I nominated the article for deletion. Most statements are still unverified by sources, and I don't see the band matching the criteria for being notable. This is discussed on the AFD page. Cpmartin 18:53, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

• It would be helpful if you could make a list of the claims you want verified ('Limerick Event Guide' and Bob Geldof aside), then I can ask the band to provide me with the relevant info.Airwave 22:52, 26 December 2006 (UTC)