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Merge book articles
I see that we've started getting articles created for every book (see Category:Hardy Boys). Do we need a very short article on each book? Could we place these plot summaries in the main Hardy Boys article, and make the titles redirect to the sections? Will we ever expand these stubs into useful articles in their own right? Bovlb 16:08, 2005 Jun 19 (UTC)
I dont see it as a problem. Even if they remain short articles--and I think that many of the earlier books can be expanded because they have changed so much since the original edition was published--it is better than having an enormously long article with 174 subtopics. Danny 16:13, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Geez, I just took all morning setting those pages up, now you want to get rid of them. Thanks a lot! --FWDixon 18:20, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
To try to sell books thru Amazon.
I didn't mean to disrepect your work, but rather suggest an alternative format. You'll note that I didn't go ahead and just do it, but instead I raised it as a question. Also, the pages were initially created by an anon IP, which made it harder for me to contact you directly. Given the sheer number of books, perhaps one page would be unwieldy, especially if we have more than 200 bytes to say about each one. Bovlb 21:12, 2005 Jun 19 (UTC)
I think the current format with a separate listing for each title is the way to go. Hopefully more info will be added to each title. As you point out, if all that info was on 1 page it would soon become unwieldy. --FWDixon 19:18, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Sure, so you can have another 58 links to your web site. Get real. This is link spamming and will not be allowed.
Quote at the top?
Should the synopsis of the Hardy Boys' history be a long, direct quote from this page? Is that acceptable, copyright-wise?
Since I'm the copyright holder for that site I think it's OK :) --FWDixon 11:26, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Get real. Everything except the pictures on your site was taken from published books on the Hardys.
- Do you have any evidence of this? At the minimum you should cite the books you are referring to. --Dan East 12:50, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
Hardy and Hardy Investigations by Tony Carpentieri, 1997, SynSine Press
The Lost Hardys: A Concordance by Robert L. Crawford, SynSine Press
The Bayport Companion by Charles Heffelfinger, self-published
Frank and Joe Turn Blue by Tony Carpentieri, SynSine Pres
Collector's Guide to Hardcover Boys' Series Books by E. Christian Mattson
Need more?
- Those REFERENCE books (except Matson) along with many others + my own personal research were used to get information for my site. I credited the authors of the reference books on the site. It's known as RESEARCH!
It's known as PLAGIARISM, plain and simple. The research was done by the authors of the reference books listed, NOT YOU. There is NOTHING original on the site.
Please, my site has been up for 10 years and is the product of exhaustive research by myself and others and 100s of hours of work on my part. It was the first web site to bring this information to the cyber-community. Why you childishly remove the links to I'll leave for you to explain here.--FWDixon 5 July 2005 15:09 (UTC)
Who do you think you are kidding? All of the information was lifted from loads of reference books on the series. You have nearly 100 links to your web pages from Wikipedia. This is an flagrant abuse of the encyclopedia to sell books via Amazon.
See [[1]] for more discussion on this problem.
Sub Category
Why not create a separate sub-category just for the books? That would allow the articles about the characters to stand out.--Hooperbloob 6 July 2005 05:29 (UTC)
I think the characters and the books are inseperable and that the current format is the way to go. Many of the characters already have their own pages and I'll be adding more as time allows.--FWDixon 6 July 2005 10:20 (UTC)
Links Section
Well I sure hope someone gets this silly dispute settled soon so I can add my site back into the links section, as it appears Bob Finnan (FWDixon) has deleted it from the listings.
By the way, the information on foreign languages at the bottom of the introduction (Sinhala, Afrikaans etc.) came directly from my research. For proof, see my website (www.hardy-boys.com) and an upcoming article (November) in YELLOWBACK LIBRARY, a magazine devoted to series books including the Hardys. As such, I feel that either a direct link to FWDixon's site should be removed, or a link to my site should be added.
- Austin Johnson Webmaster, Hardy-Boys.Com Editor, The Bayport Gazette webzine (bayportgazette.com/bg)
- You are a fine one to talk about plagiarism - 80% of your site was stolen from my Hardy Boys site (www.hardy-boys.net). You copied my idea for a webzine from the Bayport Times. You have taken images directly from my site and used them on yours.--FWDixon 12:33, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
You are a fine one to talk about plagiarism Finnan. Every word on your site was copied from copyrighted books on the Stratemeyer series. Johnson's webzine is outstanding and his web site unlike yours has completely original content.
- Yeah, most of the content was originally on my site!--FWDixon 14:23, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, all of it was written and published by others. You are a shameless plagiarist and link spammer.
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- I'm not convinced that this protection has helped anyone reach any sort of compromise. You two should take this to e-mail and off Wikipedia, and if I see anyone DELETING any kind of links, you'll be blocked for 24 hours. Sound good? Mike H (Talking is hot) 16:24, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
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- The problem isn't Austin Johnson, it's a lunatic named RMedford and his various sockpuppets who goes around deleting all the links. I'm convinced that the protection is helping curb him, although he has been on a vandalism spree on other juvenile book sites in the last few days.--FWDixon 17:40, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
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The problem is FWDixon who sets up 100+ links on Wiki to a web site created from other people's work and that no one has woken up to the fact that these are redundant and are there to sell books thru Amazon from that site.
I see, though, that the protection has remained on the page. Will this be removed so deleted links can be added once again?
Yes and then they will be deleted until the link spamming is stopped.
More on the link spamming and commercial advertising. Example http://hardyboys.bobfinnan.com/hbpb.htm is just a list of titles that all have links to Amazon. All of the books summaries were copied from Amazon. Every HB Digest title, Casefiles title, Clues Brothers title, Supermysteries title, Ultra Thriller title and so on has a link to Amazon and all summaries were copied from Amazon. Does that tell anyone something?
Yep, tells us you're lying! Here's a link to Amazon's Ultra Thriller page (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0671756613/ref=nosim) and not a summary to be seen. Ditto for everything else. BTW, thanks for all the links to my site, I'm sure it will increase readership! :)--FWDixon 14:20, 27 August 2005 (UTC) Oh Really? Lets try a few just on the Undercover Brothers.
Extreme Danger (#1) - 4/05
Finnan: Mission: To find the mastermind behind a possible attack at the Big Air Games. Amazon: Mission: To find the mastermind behind a possible attack at the Big Air Games.
Running On Fumes (#2) - 4/05
Finnan: Mission: Investigate and determine the power behind a possibly dangerous Utopian community with potential plans for criminal activity within the oil industry. Amazon: Mission: Investigate and determine the power behind a possibly dangerous Utopian community with potential plans for criminal activity within the oil industry.
Boardwalk Bust (#3) - 4/05
Finnan: Mission: Investigate and put a halt to the recent rash of jewelry store robberies. Potential danger on the ground and in the air. Amazon: Mission: Investigate and put a halt to the recent rash of jewelry store robberies. Potential danger on the ground and in the air.
OH! You only plagiarized SOME of the summaries?
Why not claim that Amazon plagiarized also, after all the description came from the back cover of the book and falls under the "Fair Use" provisions. But you don't care about that, you are just a pathetic hate-filled loser with no life and an ax to grind. Very sad.--FWDixon 15:01, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
LOL. Now you didn't write them. I thought I was a liar? Guess you are huh? So WHAT summaries did you write? What was that MY summaries stuff you were saying to Phillip?
You and I both know I was refering to the summaries on the original series title pages. Being an Amazon associate gives me "fair use" to quote portions of the books you questioned. You really ought to learn what you're talking about before you spew your hatred here.--FWDixon 15:10, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
Amazon cannot give you rights to use publisher's book summaries Finnan, any more than Wal Mart or anyone else can. Everything on your pages was copied from all sorts of sources and you know it. If people want more examples I will give them more.
All publishers give the right to quote portions of their books for review and advertising purposes. It's also legal to quote portions of books under the "Fair Use" provisions of the copyright law. But you don't care about that, you're just a sad, obsessed person with no life and a lot of hatred inside. --FWDixon 15:38, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
A book summary is original writing protected by copyright. Summarizing a book in your own words is not a copyright violation but copying a summary without permission especially for commercial gain IS.
Only one link to each web site should be permitted on the main page. The Bayport Times link should be removed as a link to it exists from the Hardy Boys Unofficial Home Page. 69.205.1.91 18:19, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
- We're working to get the Bayport link removed. It requires an administrator since the page is protected. -- Sitearm | Talk 03:39, 2005 August 31 (UTC)
I've got good timing
I just read through this article for the first time, and noticed a book title that needed to be italicized. Then I noticed the page was locked so I read this discussion. I went back to the main page and lo-and-behold it was unlocked. Good timing for me! If only I had that luck with traffic lights. :)
Notice at the beginning of the article
I do not believe the notice at the beginning of this article is in line with Wikipedia policy. If the information is in Wikipedia then it is understood that it is not copyrighted. So it follows that the notice only serves to indicate authorship, which is not appropriate within Wikipedia.
I recommend a total rewrite of the article, which would not be a big task - excepting the list of book titles, it is only comprised of a handful of paragraphs. http://hardyboys.bobfinnan.com/ could then be listed as a reference. Whether or not that website is 100% original or not (and I am not inferring that it isn't) will no longer be an issue, as this article will no longer be a copy / paste. --Dan East 20:18, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
