Talk:The Great Gama
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User:The Ogre can you please help me out in editing Gama. خرم Khurram 15:17, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
- Of course I can give a hand, Khurram. Maybe the best way is for you to had stuff to the articles and then I can look a them and make some improvements if needed be. By the way, is Gama a proper name, a nickname or what? Does ir mean something? The Ogre 17:33, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Gama → Great Gama (wrestler)
Please do not move article content about by cut-and-paste; this separates the content from the history, and causes problems for us with respect to the GNU Free Documentation License. I have corrected the problem, but please use the move feature in the future. Rob Church Talk 18:08, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks Robchurch! I will do as you say. The Ogre 18:11, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
- You're welcome. If you have any other queries, please don't hesitate to ask. Rob Church Talk 18:15, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] GREAT
NICE JOB الثاقب (WiseSabre| talk) 19:09, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Check these
الثاقب (WiseSabre| talk) 22:23, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] wrong picture
Hi, The picture here that is suppose to be of the great Gama is not the real Gama.. This one is another wrestler who´s name is also Ghulam Mohammad, but he is not the Great Gama. If i remember correctly this Ghulam Mohammed was a wrestler who fought in Paris in the beginning of 1900. There is a famous story about how he tried to fake an illness so he wouldnt had to fight his opponent who was much larger then him. Ghulam eventually lost the fight.. and he died some weeks later of an unknown sickness.
- Ogre the picture is of Ghulam also known as Rustam-e-Dauraan the teacher of Raheem Bakhsh Sultani Wala and not that of the Great Gama. Actually since both wrestlers had the name "Ghulam" common as their first name, this confusion sometimes occurs with the western historians. I have few pictures of Gama but a good source for them is [7]. Other than that your edits are excellent as usual. I will post further information and hopefully we will get done with it very soon. خرم Khurram 21:58, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
- Is this a good picture, then? The Ogre 16:10, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
Yes it surely is. خرم Khurram 16:34, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
- I'll post it, then. The Ogre 16:50, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] *sources*
In his first encounters with Raheem Sultani Wala there needs to be some sources for the events listed.
[edit] Clarification Needed
I think this is a serviceable article but much of the language is ambiguous. I think with an extraordinary figure like Gama, who is such a legend in Asia but relatively unknown in the West, it is vital the information be clear and consicse. Here are the areas that I would like to see clarification.
Quote: Gama was bleeding from his nose and ears but he managed to destroy the lungs and heart of Raheem Baksh. What does the author mean by "destroy the lungs and heart"? Did Gama simply wear out Baksh or did he use some wrestling move that actually injured the lungs and heart?
Quote: He was awarded the prize and the John Bull Belt. Receiving this belt entitled Gama to be called Rustam-e-Zamana or World Champion. I have no idea what this means. First, what exactly was the “John Bull Belt” (I presume it was regional belt) and why did it entitle Gama to World Champion status?
Quote The result of the bout was, however, drawn quickly when Gama threw Zbyszko in only 42 seconds. Why are you using the word “drawn” in this context? A “draw” in sports means there was no winner. I know of no English idiom that includes the term “the bout was drawn.” Also, if you mean to suggest that Gama won the match, please explain what you mean by “threw.” What is this a type of wrestling that requires throws (similar to sumo) in order to win? The wrestling I am aware of requires an opponent be pinned or submitted. Jackbox1971 01:38, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Gama as World Champion
I found this while doing some research: "Gama Gets Belt and Title over in England," Seattle Times, October 15, 1910, 5. The end of the Zbysco-Gamma (sic) farce came when, before an admiring throng of Britons and East Indians, Horatio Bottomley presented Gamma with a belt inscribed, ‘Champion Wrestler of the World.’ To their credit be it said that the papers here want to know where Gotch comes in. Zybsco failed to appear on the last day of the continuous performance ‘wrestle,’ as he had a very important engagement to meet Doc Roller in Vienna.
So, according to this article, Gama was awarded the World Title by default. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with the so-called John Bull Belt.
[edit] John Bull clarified
According this article at [8], written by someone is a Gama scholar: "The contest between Gama and Doc Roller took place at the Alhambra Theatre on the afternoon of August 8, 1910. It had been organised by John Bull, the popular magazine which seemed to support Gama’s cause throughout his time in England, thus giving rise to the idea, strongly held by Indian writers, that there was a John Bull wrestling tournament that Gama entered and won. The contest was for £200 a side, the best of three falls, with the stranglehold and full nelson barred." Bottom line, no "John BulL Belt," just a cash award. Jackbox1971 02:08, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
