Talk:The Freechild Project
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[edit] "Accolades"
The author(s) of this article seem to think that any instance of being mentioned somewhere by someone constitutes an "accolade."
“The Freechild Project is recognized internationally as an (sic) leader in youth activism.”
The "reference" for being "recognized internationally" is an article in a publication called the Australasian Journal of American Studies, which lists an article that the author found on the Freechild Project website in the bibliography. Even if it mattered whether or not someone who writes for a journal that few people have even heard of was aware of the existence of the Freechild Project website, maybe the author just found the article with Google and have no idea what the Freechild Project really is.
“Their website was named a "Leading Site for Social Entreprenuers" by an Ashoka program in 2004, and given a "Cool Site Award" by the Open Directory Project in 2002.”
Two more minor mentionings that are being passed off as "awards." - Skaraoke 16:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
- I hardly think that "Leading Site for Social Entreprenuers" is a minor mentioning. Also, your assertion that a published author in the Australasian Journal of American Studies would write about and reference a project and not know what it was he is writing about is un-informed and fallacious. Such subjective assertions cannot be used when weighing in on such an issue as this. Valid Critism-not astoundingly dense, extraordinarily illogical, sweeping contentions with no basis- is what should be taken into account when rating the content and the survival of this article Theowannabe 19:02, 26 March 2007 (UTC) Theowannabe
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- The author of the article in the Australasian Journal of American Studies was not writing about the Freechild Project, and your assumption that he was is a perfect example of the kind of misconception that this citation is prone to create, possibly by design. In fact, the Freechild Project is not mentioned in the body of the article; the author merely cites a review of Todd Gitlin's book that was written by a 20-year-old college student who was associated with the Freechild Project and was archived on the Freechild Project website.
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- "Cool Site Awards" are a dime a dozen, and they can mean little more than having received a special icon because a site administrator found the site one day and liked it. Also, anyone can create an award called "Leading Site for Social Entrepreneurs" and give it to someone, but in order for it to mean anything, it was to me more than just the members of a special-interest community patting each other on the back in order to inflate their respective images.
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- I'm trying to assume good faith on the part of the people who cited these vapor sources, but faced with the apparent choice between assuming deliberate deception and assuming gullibility, it's a tough call. - Skaraoke 02:04, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Sounds like there is one person who is calling for this AfD, and it reads like a personal vendetta. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.101.6.186 (talk) 15:28, 27 March 2007 (UTC).
24,100 GH for "freechild project". 30 GS hits. That is notability.
I have removed the aforementioned statement and several problematic citations, and am removing the Citecheck tag next unless there are other specific concerns. - Freechild 23:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "Deletion"
I really do not think this article should be deleted. It is a very active non-profit and a pioneer in Youth Voice and Youth Activism. It seems that because this person hasn't heard that much about this important project, they think it warrants deletion. I feel this is a very well written and important article that deserves to stay on wikipedia. I would like to see at least some arguementation for deletion other than "I have not heard of this". Unfortunatly, I don't know how one gets the deletion thing to be overturned. Could someone point me there? Theowannabe 19:02, 26 March 2007 (UTC) Theowannabe
- You did see a reason for deletion other than "I have not heard of this," specifically "This article seems to be self-promotion for a non-notable non-profit organization." Wikipedia is not a site for special-interest communities to advertise their pet projects. The fact that the Freechild Project needs to cite vapor sources like the ones I mentioned elsewhere on this talk page suggests that this organization has no real relevance outside of a community that is predisposed to place value in organizations of its kind. - Skaraoke 02:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
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- I have removed the PROD tag, as your reasons for deletion are a personal POV. Take this to AfD if you wish to delete it. EliminatorJR Talk 21:56, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
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- I added an AfD tag - this article is attrocious, and violates WP:ADVERT, WP:AD, WP:OR and WP:Notability. See the discussions up and down this page. - Puget 23:47, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] NPOV tag
I have tagged this mess NPOV and I am seriously considering tagging it for deletion or general noncompliance as the article is a string of praise for an organization that reads more like a low-budget press release than an encyclodia article. (RookZERO 22:40, 27 March 2007 (UTC))
How so....assertions and hyberbole don't equal the truth. Examples would be nice....
[edit] Whoops
When removing some tags that had been resolved(the citation one) I did somethine that put the article in a blue box....and i don't know how to fix is.....
[edit] Mediation
- FYI, I have request the formal WP mediation process for an issue between User:Skaraoke and myself that pertains to this article, and I've cited talk page this as an incidence of his antagonism. You can read about it here. - Freechild 00:01, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
