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[edit] The Forsaken are not the Undead
As I wrote on World of Warcraft, there is a reason why Blizzard removed the racial trait of that the Forsaken can't stay in underwater for an unlimited time and the fact that the Paladin's skill of Finding Undead doesn't work on them anymore. Blizzard changed status of Forsaken from 'Undead' to 'Humanoid'. This is because (and quoting a Blizzard official) "the Forsaken are not the Undead. They are the Forsaken.". I suggest we make additions and edits on this page regarding that in mind from now on. Mastgrr 13:40, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- They're only not Undead for gameplay reasons. They're called "Undead" in-game. You don't create a new "Forsaken" character, you create a new Undead character. You don't /who r-"Forsaken", you /who r-"Undead" (the search commands for looking for characters of a given race). They're Undead, even if Undead-specific abilities can't target them. It's solely for gameplay, the story still considers them to be undead. There are absolutely no lore reasons for that change, solely gameplay reasons.
- They are undead, their are two factions of the undead, The Scourge (Warcraft) and the Forsaken. In WoW they were changed to humanoid for balancing reasons, they still remain resurrected flesh, thus undead. - UnlimitedAccess 23:30, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] WC3 Equivalent?
Looking through the Warcraft 3 units, I'm hard-pressed to find anything that translates directly to the forsaken race as we now see them in World of Warcraft. They can't be ghouls--ghouls have been affected far more deeply by the plague and have physical features that can't be explained by simple decay. It's kind of wierd, seeing as how all the other races have units to serve as examples of their race (grunts, tauren, headhunters, druids, footmen, riflemen, and gyrocopters). Can anyone find any solid examples of WoW's undead as units?
Maybe banshees? or abnomations, there are couple in the undercity. --Richielin 11:41, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Couple comments..
I'm new to editing here, but the image shown in this article for the Forsaken "logo" or banner is flipped horizontally. That needs to be corrected (the bird should be looking to the left).
Regarding Warcraft 3 units that would resemble the Forsaken, I think Ghouls are indeed the units you're looking for. It's possible that the physical characteristics you speak of (I'm assuming you mean things like extended/sharpened claws and the like) aren't prominent on player characters because they weren't exposed to the plague long enough for the "mutations" to occur.
If I remember correctly, in the (WC3) mission where you unleash the plague on civilians, they are turned into Ghouls.
EDIT: One more thing- Just read the "Controversy over allegiance" section. That one has got to go, or be rewritten. It starts off by saying Blizzard calls the Forsaken "neutral allies" and claims that in-game lore says otherwise. But for proof, the writer uses not in-game lore, but in-game behavior of players, which isn't reliable as canon. And just because there may be Forsaken NPC's that have ties with other Horde NPC's doesn't elevate their status of "neutral allies" to allies such as the Orcs and Tauren have.
Ringswraith 19:46, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Forsaken being not evil?
It is easy to assume that the Forsaken are the one "evil" race in the game, but after playing their quest lines, one can see this is not true.
I am not sure which quest says that they are misunderstand; however, there are quests in game that tell otherwise. There is a horde quest series in Duskwood called "Nothing But The Truth" in which an alliance Infiltrator was held captive by the Orcs in Stonard. The quest ends when the player gave the captive "truth serum" to drink when in fact it was poison (the player is not told of this). The captive mutters "I believe the forsaken are misleading the allies of the horde" before his death. In fact that whole quest chain hints towards this as the quest give emphasize on certain words. --Voidvector 04:27, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
- While a noticable point, various quests that forsaken NPC's give suggest that they aren't quite as evil that some folks (espically the Alliance) say they are. For example, in the "Scarlet Monestary" instance there is a tortured Forsaken, if you talk to him he gives you a quest to retreive his wedding ring and give it to his wife, upon completing it his wife does the /cry emote, why would a race of "evil" beings give any form of compassion to someone else? Many of the quests that are in "Tirisfal Glades" imply the Forsaken possess much more compassion then you would think, various articles I have seen also imply the Forsaken have a much freindlier relation with the horde races then you would think, also, in the quest you described the infiltrator says "I believe" which means he hadn't confirmed it, only suspected it. BassxForte 05:08, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
- Every race in the game has some form of dissension within its group. In addition, every race have shown ability of emotion whether it be good emotions like kindness and compassion, or bad emotions like revenge. However, the phrasing of that paragraph is horrible.
- "after playing their quest lines, one can see this is not true: the Forsaken are merely misunderstood by the greater races of Azeroth."
- I have played through most of the Forsaken quests and I am unable to reach such conclusion. Since this statement claims they are not evil, it has to be backed up with supporting references. Otherwise, it is biased towards the opinion of some players and NPOV.
- they are trying to find their place in the world, and their primary goal is looking out for the well-being of their people.
- I don't disagree with this, but this statement is not supported in anyway.
- Many players applaud Blizzard's decision to make the Forsaken merely "dark" and not "evil,"
- This is a remark on reaction of fans. I have not read anything on this topic in the forums or game sites. Unless you can back it up with sources, it is original research.
- "after playing their quest lines, one can see this is not true: the Forsaken are merely misunderstood by the greater races of Azeroth."
- --Voidvector 23:31, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
- Every race in the game has some form of dissension within its group. In addition, every race have shown ability of emotion whether it be good emotions like kindness and compassion, or bad emotions like revenge. However, the phrasing of that paragraph is horrible.
Keep in mind that any in-game character who calls the Forsaken evil is an enemy of the Forsaken, (primarily the Alliance) I do believe that "many players applaud Blizzard for making them "dark" and not "evil"" does need a firmer scource, the Horde do not really view the Forsaken as "good", but at the same time not actually "evil" either, their is considerable distrust and suspecion from the Horde to the Forsaken and vice-verca, but they do get along (albeit not enough to reveal their plans to the other in full) enough to join forces, it seems the Darkspear Trolls are the only ones who might view the Forsaken as evil, however in truth the Forsaken are no more "evil" then the blood elves are, while both use rather questionable and aggressive tactics that make people view them as evil, unless Blizzard says something later I see no honest reason to view them as evil. BassxForte 01:16, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Neither faction is evil. UD isn't really evil either, though they are a bit more scary looking. What makes you think that the Alliance quests to kill the Furbolgs isn't evil either? They did nothing to you.. jeez. ;) Ok, you get my point, no? Neither is good nor evil. The Scourge are the evil ones. Fr0 05:44, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Right, UD is not really evil, although not the very definition of good either, since they not only split off of the scourge, but are in the horde gives +5 "not evil" points. :) BassxForte 06:12, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh and something to say, most of the Furblogs had gone insane due to the influence of the Burning Legion, so the quest to kill them does not make the Alliance seem evil in any way. BassxForte 04:17, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] New Plauge
This page mentions that Sylvanas plans to make a plauge to wipe out all sentinent life (minus the Forsaken), that information has not been given in offical information, in fact, i'm inclined to believe that it's a rumor, it is true they are making a plauge, but there is a Forsaken in the town Tarren Mill that mentions this plauge, upon completing his quest Elixer of Pain he mentions that the plauge will "scour humanity and the Scourge" or something along those lines, which leads me to believe that this plauge is meant to be used only on the Scourge and humans. BassxForte 05:39, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Hehe, I remember that quest. You poison the dog, it goes crazy and you have to fight it. I don't think their intention is to completely wipe out Azeroth. The text can be viewed here; http://www.thottbot.com/q501 In any case, IIRC the Forsaken are looking for a cure for their condition. Fr0 12:33, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
