Talk:The Feeding of the 5000 (album)

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Contents 1 Musical style 2 User Talk 3 Archivable 3.1 Name Change Proposal 3.2 Unacceptable for Wikipedia 3.2.1 Gold?

[edit] Musical style

Should we include something about how the musical styles of Side 1 and 2 of the Lp are very different, excluding the last two or three songs? I seem to remember reading an interview or something with Crass where they said the difference was intentional, but I can't remember where I read it or if it was even on the internet.--68.12.87.201 19:11, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

If you could find a source for this proposed addition please feel free to integrate it, otherwise I think it would be considered 'original research'. i must say I've never partcilulary noticed much of a differnece in style between sides 1 & 2, and 'feeding' is probably one of my all-time most played records! quercus robur 00:26, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User Talk

How do you like that when I wrote "The Feeding of the 5000 is the first album by Crass, released in 1978 after the demos in 1976 and form in 1977 in the UK. Some songs off of this album have Parental Advisory and Explicit Lyrics and Content of guitar solo sounding like David Bowie post 1972 or The Ramones post 1976". -Michael

Well, I for one didn't like it too much. Aside from being two run-on sentences full of unrelated facts, it doesn't make logical sense by my reading. How could "guitar solos" earn an "Explicit Lyrics and Content" label? After reading the above, I can't even tell iff the album itself earned a warning label. And "Parental Advisory" stickers didn't even come into existence until the 1990s, AFAIK. Tuf-Kat

<exasperated sigh> 'Feeding' definately DID NOT have Parental advisory stickers on the cover. It DID NOT have 'explicit lyrics & content' labels. As TUF KAT says, these didn't even exist until some years after 1978. What's more, it has NOT got any guitar solos on it, it DOESN'T sound like David Bowie in 1972 or any other year. Arguably there are vague similarities with the sound of the early ramones, although Crass' sound is much more complex than the ramones, and a comparison with them would be highly misleading. Have you ever heard anything by Crass BTW Micheal? quercus robur 09:09 Mar 14, 2003 (UTC)

[1] Source for the quote about the naming of the album and it going golden, this was probably in 1986. Edit it into the article in a better way if you can find out a way that fits.

[edit] Archivable

Copy and paste old, irrelevant discussions here. These are to be archived when the user page becomes to large.

[edit] Name Change Proposal

This page was originally titled "The Feeding of 5000, without (album) at the end.

I would like to create an article on the biblical account of the feeding of 5000, and I would, if at all possible, like to use the name taken by this page.

I do not wish to do this arrogantly, and if it is rejected, I will accept your decision. Please consider the following

• When people talk of the "feeding of 5000", most are talking about the Miracle by Jesus
• This article is about an album with a very low circulation; and not to be offensive, I had never heard of this band before.
• The name change would be very simple eg "The_feeding_of_the_5000_(album)"
• The album page would likely recieve some traffic from people are reading the biblical miracle page, people who think "there was an album by this name?? I want to see it!"

I kindly request my proposal be considered. Yours, A J Hay 12:28, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

AJ, there already is an article at the Feeding of the multitude. -Ste|vertigo 22:30, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Sounds fine to me (tho I'm a very minor contributor and had never heard of the band either). Would a hatnote on the miracle article, redirecting to the album, work, or would it be removed by indignant purists feeling it sullied their biblical reference? JackyR 15:52, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Um I'd like to say that wouldn't happen, but it might, but only because some people are unreasonable. All wikipedia contributors like to think that they aren't biassed, so it seems unlikely. What may happen, though, is that people could eventually come up with 3 other concepts of "feeding of 5000", leading to a disambiguation page. You'd still be there though. Any other comments?A J Hay 12:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

If you and I both think the hatnote will be vandalized, perhaps its better to go for a disambig page straight away. I know this is against Wiki style, as the biblical ref is clearly the principal (indeed, original) one, but there's no shortage of unreasonable people on Wiki and elsewhere... JackyR 16:07, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Changing the name as suggested seems fine to me (although I would dispute that the album had 'very low circulation'...). You'd also need to alter the various backlinks as well though... quercus robur 19:07, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like a lot of work, but I'll do it. What I meant by 'low circulation' was based purely on what the article told me. The article quotes Penny Rimbaud as saying that the album would only sell 100 copies. Sorry, I'm not perfect, and sometimes I jump to conclusions. A J Hay 09:23, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

No worries AJ Hay, but I think what mr. Rimbaud was saying was that he was as surprised as anybody else by the success of 'Feeding...', he expected it to sell 100 copies, but it was actually a phenomenal success. The album went Golden in 1986, and continues to sell in both viny & Cd formats, cheers quercus robur 18:23, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I thank you all kindly for your support, indeed I thank the person who changed half of the redirects for me. I changed the rest, though I may have missed some. It's been a pleasure. It's also good to know that wikipedia can work really well. I'll create the miracle page in a couple of days. A J Hay 02:06, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, the hatnote at the article on the miracle was removed with this edit. Sigh. Angr (talk • contribs) 12:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

On disambigs and hatnotes

On the FOTM article, its reasonable to not include it at all, as its not really within the scope, and anyone looking for a particular album can go through the band itself. The hatnote guidline is about the problem of sticking something like For the album by Crass, see..." on the FOTM article. That is what's inappropriate, and a disambiguation link is the only answer where there is any issue of split terminology. Granted this system is not perfect, and I have proposed before that we just use the "See also" section or a "disambiguation" section, but things are the way they are, and I dont write software. -Ste|vertigo 22:30, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unacceptable for Wikipedia

The way things now are, a reader entering "The Feeding of the 5000" in Search is redirected to Feeding the multitude, where they receive no hint that the album article exists. Three months ago, this page was the album. "See also"s are notoriously poor for actual redirects (I think they're even deprecated for such, tho can't be bothered to look for the reference) and therefore not a solution. If the reference to the album does not appear at "Feeding the multitude", then "The Feeding of the 5000" cannot redirect to that page and will need a disambiguation page. I'm not annoyed about the original, unintentional distruction of a trail to the album, but I could get ticked off at this complacency at having lowered the quality of the encyclopedia. JackyR 15:41, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Fixed dab.JackyR 16:21, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gold?

Could someone find out if the album actually has gone gold yet? Jeremy Peter Green 08:50, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Have put a request on the Crass discussion forum [2] as to whether anybody from Southern Studios (who distributed Crass' records) could confirm or otherwise the album's 'gold' status quercus robur 10:35, 24 December 2006 (UTC)