Talk:The Fall of Troy (album)

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• Why remove what F.C.P.S.I.T.S.G.E.P.G.E.P.G.E.P allegedly stands for? Jubella 09:53, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I added it back in. The person who stated that it was a "secret acronym" didn't provide a source proving this.

The guys don't want everyone to know. If you go onto their forums and ask, they'll not tell you. The March of Flames 5:38, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

But the majority of people know now anyway. Also, if you put "allegedly" or "one popular theory" it's not saying exactly what it stands for, merely being vague about it. Just a suggestion Jubella 15:58, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, Wikipedia is not censored. It's being added back in. Schizmatic 00:13, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

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So:

• I've reworded it (diff) as per WP:NPOV, WP:VERIFY, and WP:CITE.
• However, as someone above accurately pointed out, we currently have no authoritative, verifiable source for reporting as a fact on the second opinion (i.e., "the band wished to keep it secret").
• Not that providing such source validating the second opinion would warrant deleting the first opinion, mind you. But currently, it's the second opinion that could be suppressed entirely, as per Wikipedia's rules.
• I propose: let's be fair and give the "hardcore fans" some weeks for getting an official statement from the band -- a small page added on their official website, or a signed post in their official blog, something authoritative and verifiable like that, with a nice URL -- before we may have to delete mention of the second opinion as unsourced. Should be a piece of cake for "hardcore fans" with such close links to the band.
• Also, maybe should it be reminded that deletion of relevant and verifiable material is both censorship and vandalism, and can lead to being banned? Just a thought.

-- Sarcasm? Wot sarcasm? 62.147.36.186 19:49, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

The sources cited for the F.C.P.S.I.T.S.G.E.P. section is not even credible. Not one member of the band confirmed that it's stands for that. SongMeanings? PunkNews? Anyone could have made it up, put it on Wikipedia and think it's real. It can stand for Fight Chalres Per Siting In The Shit of Getting Everyone Petrified. And I think all of you need to shut the fuck up. This is why Wikipedia sucks. Because everyone is so anal about everything. --The March of Flames 19:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

• Those sources are perfectly suited to their purpose. This section does not pretend to reveal an official meaning, since there's been no official statement other than "no comment". This section merely REPORTS on a FACT, which is the title's expansion as leaked by various hardcore fans to a larger public.
• This section provides various and convergent, verifiable sources about this expansion having now been common knowledge for at least one year on the net. This section remains NPOV by providing the other side of the argument. Both sides are provided to the reader to be fully informed, without you deciding what the reader is allowed to know in the first place.
• You're the one being an anal crybaby trying to censor information, all the more because you know it's true. You're not an elite because you knew what it means. You're not the only one deserving to know it. Grow up and quit whining.
• Deleting or censoring sourced information is vandalism.

-- 62.147.113.36 23:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

• i don't even know what it stands for douche. but good try of accusing me of censorship. i refuse to believe it's the widespread rumor because there was no offical meaning stated by the band. ;)

--The March of Flames 15:48, 15 July 2006 (UTC)