Talk:The Dukes of Hazzard

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[edit] Rebel Flag

How come there's never been controversy about the program's use of the Rebel flag? It's like it was never an issue. How was it that New York-based CBS gave that program element its blessing, especially when African-Americans were becoming a greater force in entertainment? -Amit

I can only guess that it is because the flag painted on the General Lee is a sign of Bo and Luke's personal rebellion against the law in the town. To Bo and Luke (and many Southerners of that era and today), the Confederate flags are a matter of state's rights, not slavery as many today would paint it to be. And I don't have a picture that shows enough of the top of the General Lee (the name alone another symbol of the "Old South") to verify that it is actually the Confederate Battle Flag and not the Navy Jack (also called the "Rebel Flag").
What is even more surprising is that in the movie that is to be released this summer, the General Lee still has the same flag painted on the top, it still bears the name "General Lee" and the horn still plays Dixie. In this politically-correct world, and ultra-left leaning Hollywood in particular, a movie was allowed to be produced with these three (what many consider to be racist) symbols of the "Old South". I guess that the PC police whose job it is to ensure freedom of speech (as long as it doesn't disagree with them) failed in this instance.
I deplore racism too, but I also appreciate good traditions. To Bo and Luke, these three symbols of the "Old South" clearly speak to their rebel nature. I can't think of an instance of anyone of color on the show(EDIT: In Season One, a black character named Brodie appears, played by Chanmp Laidler, in the High Octane episode. List of The Dukes of Hazzard episodes ), but given what else they did for others, I presume that the entire Duke clan would stick up for them against whatever persecution anyone may have heaped upon them. That's the type of behavior from the Dukes that I expect to see in the 2005 movie. Val42 06:10, July 10, 2005 (UTC)
My suspicion is that the show's avoidance of racially charged themes is the only saving grace. There was some controversy IIRC, but it was mostly drowned out by the show's popularity and by the perception among many that the south was entitled to a few symbols and pride. -Lommer | talk 06:58, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
It's used a lot by bikers and Rock'N'Roll fans. It isn't a racist flag even though it might have been appropriated by some racists in the past. DavidFarmbrough 16:06, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cousin Countin' Game

The article makes the assumption that Bo, Luke, Daisy, Coy and Vance are all first cousins, when nothing in the show indicates that they are.

Response: No it doesn't. It suggests that people have been trying to figure out the "Duke name" question. Plus, the fact that they would have to be first cousins, as they are all named "Duke" AND they are all relatively the same age. The chances of one of Jesse Duke's siblings having a child-- who in turn had a child themself-- who would still be close to the age of Jesse's direct nieces or nephews, is completely illogical, if not impossible.

The only other option would be Jesse Duke's FATHER having a brother, who's lineage in turn consistently spawned boys, and then these very distant cousins all managed to come to Hazzard and live together.

--and yes, the similarity of the Dukes' ages, along with sharing their surname, is a heavy indicator in the show that they are first cousins. - ClintFord 20:43, 20 September, 2005 (CST)

Response: If Jesse came from a large family, and his age and locale makes it extremely possible, then his oldest siblings likely would be marrying and having children while his parents were still generating children. This is not an uncommon phenomenon. My father, the youngest of 10, is younger than three of his two eldest siblings' children. Thus I have first cousins who "feel" like aunts and uncles, and second cousins who "feel" like first cousins.

On my mother's side (who comes from a much smaller family, she's the oldest of three children. I can count off hand six second, third and fourth cousins who were born within 5 years of me.

My mother who is less than a year older than my father are fifth cousins. My mother has a different maiden name than a married name, but my maternal grandmother's maiden name and my last name are the same.

Such are the realities of rural life.

To confuse matters further, I seem to recall one particularly ominous and chilling episode where Boss Hogg confronts Luke and reveals the long-kept secret that he was his father. Wavy G 18:20, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

Can anyone source a picture with copyrigt clearance? The current snap is scheduled for deletion and it's a very bad copy anyway, it doesn't do the show justice. DavidFarmbrough 16:06, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
I just did. It was the best picture I could find. I know the original was taken in color (I've seen it on a Hazzard documentary), but I can't find a copy of it. ClintFord 15:27, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
I think the color version is that seen here:Color pic of Dukes which is slightly different but taken at the same shoot. AIUI what they used to do when taking publicity pictures is to have two cameras, one with monochome film and one with color. The copy I've sourced here is too low resolution to be used on wikipedia, and it also has a logo on it. DavidFarmbrough 16:39, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The General Lee - Robert E.Lee?

I have a theory which I hope you will indulge. Is General Lee after whom the car is named the same person as American Civil War hero Robert E Lee? If so, then I think this should be stated in the article (as it's interesting - to me anyway, who knows next to nothing about the US Civil War). DavidFarmbrough 09:18, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Your theory is correct: that's the general the car is referring too. I've added a sentence about the name under the "characters" section. Thanks for the suggestion. Turnstep 18:23, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bios for Bo Duke, Luke Duke, and Jesse Duke

Can someone please (other than me) please just START these pages? I hate it that Enos, Rosco, Boss and Daisy all have articles, but these three have nothing. I've tried twice to just start a page for Bo and Luke (with just a picture and a stub-- so others could begin expanding) but someone keeps deciding that's not enough, and removes my work and replaces the links with a "redirect" back to the Dukes of Hazzard main page. I simply don't have time to write a whole page for all three. However, I wouln't mind expanding on and improving the articles from time to time. There are already good pictures (with sources) for both Bo (Bo Duke.jpg) and Luke (Luke Duke.jpg) --(if those don't work, try an underscore between their first & last names.)

Thanks!

ClintFord 14:43, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

I will try and do Bo's page...I'll need some help though on the other ones... :-) Tvaughn05 02:41, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

I completed Bo and Lukes pages, however, I don't quite know what to put on Jesse Dukes's page. Tvaughn05 18:49, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


  • I started the new Jesse Duke page. Hope it's fitting of such a great character... ClintFord 03:03, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Does anbody notice

The main characters are listed once under the "Main Characters" section, then (with the exception of Bo Duke and Luke Duke) repeated with more detail under the "Supporting Characters"? I can fix this, by simply removing the list without the details and changing the headers so that it actually reflects the "main" and "supporting" characters. Wavy G 02:41, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

It's fixed. Enjoy, world.
Love, Wavy G 11:52, 1 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Pictures

We really need pictures of Ben Jones (as Cooter) and of Waylon. I posted a picture of Cooter that I thought was from a press kit, but apparently someone asked for it to be removed. This page is incomplete until those pictures are found. Can anyone help? ClintFord 14:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jack Starett

Speaking of a recent edit to this page regarding who directed the show, I don't recall that Jack Starrett was ever that prolific of a Dukes director. He only directed a few episodes, to my knowledge. With no disrespect intended, I know there were several other directors who directed far more episodes than Mr. Starrett, and that list would include Dukes actors Tom Wopat, Sorrell Booke, James Best, Denver Pyle and John Schneider (the last episode). Someone needs to check out who the most prolific, notable directors were and then revise the article accordingly. The way it reads now, it seems as though Mr. Starrett directed every episode, and that just simply isn't the case. [[Briguy52748 22:16, 30 June 2006 (UTC)]]

[edit] Made a template

What do you think?

v • d • e
The Dukes of Hazzard
Characters Bo Duke • Luke Duke • Daisy Duke • Uncle Jesse • Cooter Davenport • Boss Hogg • Sheriff Rosco P. Coltrane • Enos Strate • Cletus Hogg
Minor characters Lulu Coltrane Hogg • Hughie Hogg • Abraham Lincoln Hogg
Television The Dukes of Hazzard • List of The Dukes of Hazzard episodes • Enos • The Dukes (animated series) • The Dukes of Hazzard: Reunion! (reunion movie) The Dukes of Hazzard: Hazzard in Hollywood!(reunion movie)
Film Moonrunners (1975) • The Dukes of Hazzard (2005) • The Dukes of Hazzard: The Beginning (2007)
Other The General Lee • Hazzard County • Boar's Nest • Daisy Dukes • Jerry Rushing • The Dukes of Hazzard: Return of the General Lee (video game)

Looks good. BTW — you'll want to remember to sign your posts in the future with four tildes (~). Thanks! [[Briguy52748 18:28, 9 July 2006 (UTC)]] (P.S. History shows that Wavy G was the guy who created the template. If that's the case, please thank him!)

Thanks. I noticed there were a lot of stray "Dukes" articles out there, and many of them didn't link to the others, so I thought a template would be nice. I was afraid the orange would be a bit too much, but I totally wanted it to be orange in honour of The General. YEEHAAAA. Wavy G 19:13, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] One question about Rosco

I was wondering, was there ever a reason given in the series of why after the chases, Roscoe didn't simply go to the Duke farm to arrest the boys for resisting arrest?--kchishol1970 05:52, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Umm...because Rosco was stupid? Wavy G 06:16, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Three words: Willing suspension of disbelief SonPraises 03:52, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Rosco knew that if he went to the Duke Farm, the boys would pull some trick, jump in General Lee, and leave him with a mouthfull of dust.Cobra wwe 22:45, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't forget also that the show couldn't allow that to happen. In order for the episode to progress and develop, the Dukes boys had to escape and get caught at the necessary times, otherwise the episode would collapse. DavidB601 20:42, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Catherine Bach.jpg

I uploaded this image of Bach as Daisy, and it's currently used in this article, her's, and the character's. It's currently being challenged as without "source" information (obviously the copyright owner of the TV series) or evidence that it was a promo image. Can anyone more familiar with this topic help quell these pointless objections? Otherwise, it should be replaced with a screenshot of Daisy. Postdlf 16:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] THE Dukes of Hazzard

Am I the only one that thinks this article should be named THE Dukes of Hazzard? It was the wording as on the credits and all merchandise. Jay Firestorm 17:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

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