Talk:The Diarrhea Song

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This article was nominated for deletion on 29 April 2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

OK, well since I put this article on two people have added verses so if any people want to put more on just add them to the second section.

Actually, I'm not sure whether Wikipedia is supposed to include stuff like song lyrics. I daresay it would but in general said lyrics are copyright. However, nursery rhyme lyrics are included so in that case, this article is relevant for Wikipedia, particularly in view of its significance to popular culture.

I can see it ending up as rather a long article though!

Milvinder 21:37, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Adding Extra Verses 2 Length 3 Lyrics and "gutting" 4 on verses again

[edit] Adding Extra Verses

Please be advised: Do NOT add any more verses to this song.

The purpose of lyrics in this article is to illustrate a few variations not to give a complete listing of verses. I will periodically weed out verses because I care about how the article reads.

If you would like to share verses, I collect them for folklore purposes, please feel free to email me.

John Mehlberg (email) 18:12, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I swear there's a verse, "when you're puttin' on you shoe/And you hear someone say 'ew'/Diarrhea(so on)". Seven-point-Mystic 13:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Length

This article is way too long and exceedingly pointless. I think we all get the idea that there are alot of toilet themed rhyming couplets which can be invented. We don't need to know about all of them. Gohst 03:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

You don't have to read it all if you don't want to. This is an encyclopedia! Anomo 18:44, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lyrics and "gutting"

Okay, a few things:

1. The posting of the lyrics? A probable copyright violation. Is there a chance the lyrics are public domain? Sure. But without evidence, I think we're forced to assume they're copywrited.
2. Even if the lyrics are public domain, they don't belong here in the encyclopedia. We have WikiSource for that.
3. Sources are few and far between as is. We don't know how many of those lyrics are real, and how many are added by random folks. Hell, I remember making up lyrics in third grade for this, they don't belong here either.

Stick to what we know, and don't add lyrics. There's no need, and the article's better without them. --badlydrawnjeff talk 20:22, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Talk then gut, not gut then talk.

1. It's not a copyvio.

2. I'll admit it has to many lyrics on the page, and they should be trimmed and organized. Not the same thing as deleting all.

3. It's a folk song. "Real" is what people have sung as children. - Peregrinefisher 20:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

1) Proof?

2) We don't put lyrics on pages of songs. Period. It doesn't happen.

3) Proof?

Meanwhile, we should be gutting possible copyvios. It's a better alternative than someone deleting the entire page. --badlydrawnjeff talk 20:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

The burden of proof is on you. A bit of google searching doesn't turn up an owner, and you can't prove a negative. It's either you show me one owner, or I show you 6 billion non-owners.

The reason wikipedia doesn't include lyrics is because of it being a copy vio, which isn't a problem in this case.

It's a children's folk song as evidenced by the page itself and the versions people heard growing up. Google has over 800 hits for it. - Peregrinefisher 21:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

1) Actually, the burden of proof is on those who want it included, not the other way around. I technically have the perogative to remove everything in this article and make it into a substub, although I wouldn't, because none of it is actually sourced.

2) The lack of lyrics has nothing to do with the copyright, but because we're not a lyric dump. Even if we were a lyric dump, the questionable copyright situation means we don't include these without evidence.

The page isn't evidence. Nor is "the versions people heard growing up." I have no doubt that this is very well-known, I have tons of doubt that the song lacks copyright. Provide evidence that the lyrics aren't copyrighted, and you have my support to include them on those grounds. --badlydrawnjeff talk 21:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

What proof do you want? - Peregrinefisher 23:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

That the lyrics are in the public domain. --badlydrawnjeff talk 23:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Where do I find that? It looks like because no one owns the song, there isn't any info about the writer, like there would be if the writer was known. Also, where's the policy/guidline that says I have to prove someone doesn't own it, instead of you proving someone does? - Peregrinefisher 00:13, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Last question first: Our verifiability policy states, quite simply: "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material." Where to find the information? I wish I knew, or I'd find it myself. --badlydrawnjeff talk 00:45, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I guess you right. A few of the lyrics need to be included though, which would fall under fair use if it is owned by someone. - Peregrinefisher 01:18, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] on verses again

I just went back several edits, there had been some vandalism and the one I stopped at had verses. I think at least a verse or two should stay, because until I got far enough back in revisions to find them, I had no idea what song this was referring to. (despite being subjected to it on the bus for hours in middle school). Also, is it really a children's song, honestly? Middle school, maybe, but I don't really equate this with something like "the song that never ends" or "conjunction junction." "childish" would almost be more accurate. Cantras 03:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)