Talk:The Battle of Evermore

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Contents 1 Um, Music, anyone? 2 Cold War 3 Avalon 4 plow or bow 5 Avalon

[edit] Um, Music, anyone?

It is an absolute disgrace that 3/4 of this article is about f**king Tolkien. Interpretation is part of a good article, sure, but music criticism should actually discuss, you know, music.

I agree completely. I added the Cold War stuff, but am no musicologist or critic, so please add something. Looking forward to it! Malnova 08:32, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I've removed all of the tokien cruft - it is taken from the linked page, which remains in place. --Tagishsimon (talk)

[edit] Cold War

I heard that this song is actually a metaphor of the Cold War-"The tyrants face is red. The sky is full of good and bad, mortals never know."

I used to be in love with this song and always just assumed it was a song about nuclear war sung as an epic fairy tale. The line "the pain of war cannot exceed the woe of aftermath" comes to mind. Coming here and reading I was amazed to find no mention of the Cold War/Nuclear Aftermath interpretation. Could just be me though. Malnova 10:11, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Avalon

"Curiously, though, there is no mention of Avalon in any of Tolkien's works." That's not actually true, read the Silmarillion and there is an island known as Avallone, don't remember more about it and don't have access to my book so can't look it up, but Tolkien does indeed mention Avalon (with a different spelling).

[edit] plow or bow

Someone changed the first line of the song from to "the queen of light took her BOW" to the "took her PLOW". I think the line is actually the original BOW. I looked it up on my CD, but the lyrics for Evermore aren't listed. Googling if comes up with a quite significantly larger number of hits for "took her bow", but that is not saying it is definitely right of course. It's not that big of an issue for me to change it back. What's anybody else think? Malnova 09:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I was actually wondering that myself. It would not make sence if he said plow because she is a queen and queens usually don't work in the fields. But the way he says bow sounds like plow. It is muffled but it sure as hell doesn't sound like bow.

http://www.angelfire.com/nm/zeppelin/b.html

Great place

[edit] Avalon

In Tolkien's work "The Silmarillion" Avalonne was the elven haven in the blessed realm, in effect the entrence to Tolkien's version of heaven. This may be what Avalon refers to in The Battle of Evermore. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.142.130.23 (talk) 16:29, 31 December 2006 (UTC).

The problem with this interpretation is that The Silmarillion was not released until 1977 and this song was written in 1971.