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[edit] 12 Legs?

The table of finishes lists 12 legs. How do we know this race is 12 legs? I don't remember a source for that. Is that what we just start all of the race tables at and add and subtract as needed?TeckWiz 14:05, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, since the past two "normal" TAR seasons have had 12 legs because of the removal of a non-elimination point (thus creating a superleg), setting the table at 12 legs probably is the simplest decision. It can always be changed later. -- SonicAD (talk) 15:23, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tasks

No plans to include a list as which team picked which Detour or which racer performed a Roadblock in each leg? --Destron Commander 03:44, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

We have which racer performed how many but not which ones. We could only do that if someone remembers which team did what Detour and which person did what Roadblock from every leg of the race. If not, we'll wait to the Amazing Race 10.TeckWiz 13:28, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
I think the amount of info presented right now is about right for a TV series article on Wikipedia. I would wait until WP:TV's guidelines are finalized to see how such detail should be managed. --Madchester 15:20, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
What would be good is a very small table that had that info. I know Zron, a recaper on TARflies does that. They're pretty small tables, and a good size for the page. And if they look to big when you first find them look carefully because some info we don't even need. Like the Roadblock table says record for amount of Roadblocks done by each member. We don't need that because we have it in the leaderboard. The only question is...can you make small tables like that on Wikipedia?TeckWiz 11:26, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
What about a Detour table like this. It's very small. The only problem is I don't know how to make the lines continue even when there is nothing in the box. (Since Ray and Yolanda only tried one detour the other box is the blank space)
Team Motor Head Rotor Head
Fran & Barry * x
Ray & Yolanda x
  • An "x" is the task the team completed it
  • An asterisk means the team switched to the other task

Also, here is a Roadblock table

Team Person Taking Challenge
Fran & Barry Barry
Ray & Yolanda Yolanda

If people agree with me we can put tables like this on the page. Anyone have suggestions or comments?TeckWiz 00:35, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I completely agree that these charts should go on the page. I am willing to look back at the old episodes on tape and provide the information, however, I would need someone else to put it into chart form, as I dont really understand wikipedia charts. -Reuvenk[T][C] 20:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Once again, I advise waiting until WP:TV's guidelines have been finalized. The working guidelines suggest brief plot outlines; additional tables would be too much, considering that there is already a leaderboard in place. --Madchester 20:55, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cities Count

Aleenf says the city count has been fixed to 24. I think it's only 22, going by the Wikipedia page. So either Aleenf UWAFanatic05 made a mistake, or the page is wrong. Here are the cities I counted:

Denver, Sao Paulo, Brotas, Moscow, Stuttgart, Bad Tolz, Geiselgasteig , Munich, Palermo, Castellammare del Golfo, Segesta, Catania, Siracusa, Rome, Athens, Corinth, Nemea, Rio, Muscat, Sur, Al Hawiyah, Nizwa

What am I missing. And if I'm not, once I'm told that I'll fix the page.TeckWiz 11:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for TeckWiz, I haven't done the cities count. So, you may be found the wrong person. Cities count is alwalys done by the other person. Thank you. Aleenf1 06:05, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Teckwiz I apologize for the incorrect number of cities. I was including Morrison, the suburb of Denver and also Frankfurt in Germany. Please revert the count to back the way you had it if these should not be counted. Also, I counted Perth and Fremantle as the only two cities visited in Leg 8, so that would make it 24 if you do not count Morrison and Frankfurt. Again, I apologize for this problem. UWAFanatic05 02:23, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Google Video

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that it's fairly reasonable to include a link to Google Video's section for The Amazing Race 9, as that's where CBS makes episodes available for rental. It seems to me that since that's a place where one can get the episodes on the internet, legally, it would be an appropriate site to link to. I was being bold and added it, but it got reverted fairly quickly, so I'd like to get some opinions before adding it back in case I've aimed off target here. -- SonicAD (talk) 06:16, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

For song or album articles, there are no links to iTunes or Amazon.com to purchase the aforementioned music. Likewise, Wikipedia:External Links suggests that users should not link to external sites that are selling a good or service. --Madchester 06:24, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, didn't see that. Sorry, then, thought it might have been a good idea. Thanks for the correction. -- SonicAD (talk) 06:26, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, but Google video is the only place to legally buy an episode, so it is pertinent. Just my $0.02. -Reuvenk[T][C] 20:37, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
There are no links to the Season 1 or 7 boxed DVD sets on their respective Wikipedia articles. Likewise, there are no such links to DVD sets on other television or film articles, since they're in violation of WP:NOT. Wikipedia isn't supposed to be providing adspace for products or services. --Madchester 20:48, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to pick up an old conversation, but does google video still have Amazing Race episodes for download. I Checked just now and couldn't find anything. If they are indeed gone, why? -Reuvenk[T][C] 15:07, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I didn't check Google video but if they don't anymore here is a possible explanation:

About a month ago CBS started CBS On Demand. It offers CBS shows for dowload on your computer for about $0.99. It started with only Survivor: Panama, and has not changed since. However, probably at the start of The Amazing Race 10, they will start putting the Amazing Race episodes on CBS OnDemand. If CBS could make money off their own site and not have to pay a commission fee to Google, they will make more money. So, in probably planning to put it on CBS On Demand, they took it off google video.TeckWiz 20:08, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

"This shows Joseph taking affirmative action..."

No it doesn't. It shows that Joseph was aware of what Eric and Jeremy did and it shows that Joseph understands that it may benefit his team. It does not show in any way that Joseph participated in the cancellation, discussed the cancellation with Eric and Jeremy beforehand, or in any other way participated in the cancellation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.24.48.1 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Special Prize

For the second time in Race history, a Travelocity trip has been awarded thanks to a "gnome". It's also the second time this season a prize has been awarded to any team and not just the first place (although the first time it happened to be the first place team. When the first two teams check in Phil said they would be in the final 3, meaning it was an elimination, which made me think what would happen if the last place team won the prize. What if Monica and Joseph had the golden gome? What would have happened?TeckWiz 01:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Didn't the first time they awarded prizes via gnome result in the prize being awarded to the eliminated team? When the teams searched the island for gnomes with secret symbols on the bottom? Otto4711 04:09, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm wrong. Ron and Kelly won the gnome prize in season 7. They were in last place but it was a non-elimination leg. Otto4711 04:20, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is That Needed???

I saw one non-wikipedians put The Da Vinci Code requests in this article, is that needed??? Aleenf1 10:13, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

That was spam from a Da Vinci Code enthusiast. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Da Vinci Code WebQuests to particpate in its AfD. --Madchester 18:59, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Elimination notes

Any thoughts on whether we should have elimination notes like the Survivor pages? --HansTAR 00:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article quality?

In the Post race trivia section, one piece of trivia states: "Eric/Jeremy and BJ/Tyler have continued to socialize since the end of the Race. (Warning: NSFW [Not Safe For Work] Link) [Empahsis added]." Should that really be in the article? Maybe, make a footnote with the link, and in the footnote, put the NSFW warning. Just my $.02. -Reuvenk[T][C] 04:06, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This has to bo some sort of record

In TAR 9, only four teams ever arrived first at a pit stop (The final three all did, and Fran and Barry). Has that ever happened before in the race? I'm not adding it to the article because I cant verify it, but I think its a first. -Reuvenk[T][C] 04:13, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

No, it's not a first. In Season 5, Alison and Donny won the first leg, and every other leg was won by one of the final 3. 128.230.13.64 23:14, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In retrospect

[edit] Can I add this to the trivia section?

Can I add this fact to the trivia section. It might be important to anime fans:

  • On Leg 11 Detour, one of the addresses BJ & Tyler visited was the offices of Gonzo Animation, with its logo prominently shown when the team received their clue.

-上村七美 | talk 12:43, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Final Roadblock Count

Did Yolanda complete her 6th RB (the flag challenge) or did their team just skip that and went straight to the finish mat? --Madchester 16:12, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Yolanda mentioned to someone at TARCon (or SOMEWHERE, it eludes me right now), that they pulled a Weaver when they arrived at the last task and went ahead and skipped the Roadblock. --HansTAR 03:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

At TARCon, BJ & Tyler said they were mistakenly told they had completed the roadblock when in fact they had not. Someone caught the mistake and sent them back before they reached the finish line. TWOP posters have speculated that they mixed up the flags for Ireland and Italy. Feels like it should be mentioned but I'm not sure how to incorporate it. 68.227.185.167 20:09, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Route Map

Has anyone noticed that the route map hasn't been updated to include Thailand, Japan or Alaska? Is it simply because no one has gotten around to it yet?

T-TOW! -Alex 18:21, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gothic Lolita in Detour??

The Detour was Maiden or Messenger. In Maiden, teams had to transport a young Japanese woman in a traditional Japanese palanquin for 1/3 mile to a tea ceremony pavilion.

I've visted a few cosplay discussion sites, and they are complaining about the 20 second exposure of Gothic Lolita on the show. I'm assuming that this is what their talking about. Does anyone have screenshots to prove this??--293.xx.xxx.xx 01:47, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Eric and Jeremy's maiden was a Gothic Lolita and Ray & Yolanda's was ko-gal (I think). I don't have a screenshot, but I have seen the show and I did see what they are talking about. - 上村七美 | talk 01:56, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Conflicting Prize Details

A trivia item says that E&J were unuable to attend the Da Vinci Code premiere in Cannes, but the Prizes section indicates they were going to attend the premiere in Hollywood. Which is correct?

The film "premiered" in Cannes instead. There was no Hollywood premiere, since screenings for the film were rather limited so that it's plot wouldn't be leaked. --Madchester 22:00, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Accuracy Regarding the Current Route Map

The Map we currently have has an error regarding the location of Thailand and Bangkok,See Image:LocationThailand.png and Image:Thailand_Bangkok.png. mouselmm 23:29, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

The map is supposed to show countries visited, not the specific cities. If this wasn't your answer, then what's wrong with it?TeckWiz 23:57, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
The map highlighted the southern part of Thailand with Burma Included. Thailand should not touch the Bengal Sea mouselmm 00:03, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I've fixed it and reuploaded it. Tell me what you think. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 00:05, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate your effort SmthManly, however, the error still exists (I am picky on these things)
Thailand has a tiny strip of land to the south connecting with Malaysia, to the west it borders with Myanmar/Burma and does not border with neither Bangladesh or India. Referring to the map we have now, the strip to the south that's highlighted belongs to Thailand, no doubt, but the northern territory highlighted borders with India and seems to me it was suppose to be Myanmar/Burma. That's what I was talking about.
I apologize for my poor grammar in advance mouselmm 00:23, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I fixed that according to the map you provided. I had to close my browser to see the changes, I think the browser caches all images, try closing your browser (every window) and reopening it and see if it looks good, I did it exactly like the map of Thailand you provided. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 00:26, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Everything looked fine after I re-opened my browser, thanks a lot for your help SmthManly ^_^ mouselmm 00:30, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
No Problem! HIPPIES RULE!! -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 00:32, 22 May 2006 (UTC) P.S. Sorry, Big TAR fane here.


[edit] TTOW

Does anyone have a definitive meaning for "TTOW" that BJ&Tyler shouted thoughout the race? I've heard anything from "circle of the universe" to "Good Times" as pronounced in Mandrin.Mutton 21:59, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

TTOW means "That's the only way"TeckWiz 22:59, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Do you have a source for that? Mutton 23:09, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I googled it and got a few pages with that. And if you want to check, get a myspace and ask Tyler or B.J. (even though they might not answer since they're probably getting tons of fan mail.TeckWiz 23:12, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Much obliged. Mutton 23:44, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Your welcome!TeckWiz 23:55, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] [1]

Q. What does TTOW-- the catchphrase you spoke often -- mean?

Tyler: It's like the Chinese word for good time. It's our power call.

BJ: It's a word we like to say because we both have shirts that say TTOW that we bought when we were in China. It was the first time we traveled through a country together in 2002.

--Maxamegalon2000 20:25, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Tyler has officially answered this as of June 14 2006 on his Myspace blog:

the meaning of TTOW

Some say TTOW is what the Mung people in the villages of northern Vietnam sing to their newborns as they sleep. Others say it is a Szechwan spice used on wedding desserts in eastern Mongolia.

But for BJ and me TTOW was the word printed on shirts we bought in mainland China in 2002. It was just four letters at the time, but since then it has evolved into our power call. We yell TTOW during extreme moments, like jumping of bridges in Greece, skydiving over northern Australia, or running across finish lines in Denver Colorado.

KsprayDad 07:06, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Straw polls on removal the teams a.k.a

This discussion is archived. Please do not edit the text in this box.
This is a straw poll to gauge opinion on whether the teams a.k.a should be removed from The Amazing Race seasonal articles. This is because we are known more about the team member name rather than his a.k.a.
Please sign your name using four tildes (~~~~) either Support or Oppose, additonal comments are appreciated. Voting will last until 31 May 2006. The results of the discussion was a tie with 2 support votes and 2 oppose votes.
Support (remove a.k.a)
  • Support, I never found this relevant after the race has ended. I no longer call Rob and Amber "Romber" and can't even rememember most of the others, but I do remember all the teams by their names, mostly because it was repeated so much on the show. Also, aren't all these nicknames thought up by fans, and thus likely to not be uniform from fan base to fan base, making them unofficial and unverifiable? A good example here would be "The Pinks"... this is the first time I have ever heard this nickname, as far as nicknames go I've always heard the Double Ds, a pun on their names and, well, other noticeable features about them. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 07:08, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Support, The team nicknames are not relevant to be included in the seasonal articles, unless teams' nicknames were "offical" enough that they appeared on the Captions on the show itself (ex. Team Guido/Gutsy Grannies). They belong in the trivia sections. mouselmm 02:35, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Oppose (keep a.k.a)

  • Oppose, but only for names that teams were popularly known by in the race. Which is pretty much everyone listed with a nickname except Fran and Barry. -- SonicAD (talk) 05:15, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose All teams nicknames have been used a lot during the race. Almost everytime a team is speaking to another team or talking about another team they use the other team's nicknames. The only nickname that has never been used is FrankenBarry, which I just took out.TeckWiz 11:08, 24 May 2006 (UTC)\

Comments

  • Both. I'd like to see the most notable names kept, but instead of a.k.a., I'd rather see ("Nickname"). Examples:
  • BJ & Tyler ("The Hippies")
  • Joseph & Monica ("MoJo")
Yes, this seems better than aka. Keep the nickname but remove the "aka" phrase --Astrokey44 20:58, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I don't care which format is used but 2 things need to be clear. First, we need to use a consistent naming scheme Second, there should be no fan-cruft nicknames; i.e., ones assigned by fans on messageboards or forums. Only include the names actually used by the teams during the Race and should be restricted to sources like the weekly program, the official website, insider clips and team interviews with the press. --Madchester 00:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I 101% agree with MadchesterTeckWiz 00:59, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Agreed with Madchester and IanManka. --HansTAR 16:57, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Filming dates inconsistent

The opening paragraph says "Filming ran from November 7, 2005 to December 3, 2005." but the infobox says "Filming dates 2005-11-07 – 2005-11-28". Which is correct? -- Barrylb 03:07, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The return of Frankenberry

A particular editor continues to put Frankenberry in as a nickname though it has been removed 2 or 3 times. I have rewatched the episodes and do not here this nickname. From Google searching it seems to be a fan nickname and not one from the show...can we please have a definative on this? Can we please leave it out until someone can quote the episode/timestamp of when it is used? KsprayDad 06:55, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Frosties

John and Scott did use this term to describe Lisa and Joni in the show (on the airport shuttle bus). Between that and [2], I think it makes sense to keep the nickname in. If anyone can find a link that specifically mentions that J+S did mention it on the bus, that would be preferred, but even without that I don't see any reason to remove the information. If you disagree, let's talk. JYolkowski // talk 21:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

John and Scott were only there for one leg, meaning it was only used once or twice. The nickname should be in the table if it was used by multiple teams and for more than a leg or two (the sisters themselves were only in it for two.) TeckWiz is 12 yrs oldTalkContribs# of Edits 22:17, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Anyone else have an opinion either way? If someone else agrees with TeckWiz I don't mind removing it, but it can be kind of hard to reach consensus between only two editors (-: JYolkowski // talk
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