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I seriously question the claim that this chart was published prior to 1923.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.122.154.185 (talk • contribs).

• Actually the original versions of this chart date back to the early part of the 20th century and since Charles Taze Russell died in 1916 it is more unlikely it was published after 1923. I imagine this depiction of the chart was done more recently, but the chart itself still would be in the Public Domain. That said, I removed the original research from the summary, specifically "note that parts of the chart are illustrated on the back of the US one dollar bill", which is not sourced and is rather unlikely. The Great Seal of the United States is most likely modeled after a Masonic symbol. There is some evidence Charles Taze Russell incorporated Masonic symbols into his work (though there is no verifiable sourcing to establish Russell was ever a Mason), but that doesn't equate to "parts of the chart are illustrated on the back of the US one dollar bill".--Isotope23 19:59, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree that it appears this chart was done more recently. I'm far from an expert in copyright issues, but my hunch is that if this particular chart (a particular expression of an idea) was published after 1923, then this particular diagram is not in the public domain. How can we find out to make sure Wikipedia is not at risk for displaying it? Not a dog 20:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

In short, Miracleimpulse, please provide the source of this particular scanned image. Thanks. Not a dog 20:59, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I found what appears to be the source of the image [1]. This does not appear to fall within public domain. Will flag image for review/removal. Not a dog 22:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Biblestudents.com has been contacted regarding the copyright status of this image. Miracleimpulse 06:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean that they've "been contacted"? We need to get their permission to use the image; they must re-license it under the GFDL or a GFDL-compatible license. Did you use the boilerplate request for permission? If so, you should also send a copy of your request and the response to "permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org" where it will be permanently archived. Not a dog 11:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

The Bible Students are not a unified affiliation; they are separate and independent groups, with no central group holding any common copyrights. Jehovah's Witnesses, under the legal corporations Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, and Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. most likely held any copyrights to this image, but since it is so old, should it not come under public domain? - CobaltBlueTony 21:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I see that the image has now been changed to one from a book apparently out of copyright. That helps calm the copyright problems, but, in my opinion, that scanned image is not of the highest of quality to be useful in an encyclopedia article... Not a dog 21:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

There might be others out there; I'll check our congregation's library to see if there's an edition that I can borrow. - CobaltBlueTony 18:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

• Permission for use forwarded to permissions-en@wikimedia.org. Miracleimpulse 04:50, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
  • The permission is not sufficient, and no response has been received to an email requesting confirmation that the image is available under the GFDL. This being the case, I have deleted the image. --Robth^Talk 18:38, 18 January 2007 (UTC)