Talk:That '70s Show

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[edit] Is/was

Just because a show has ended its initial run doesn't mean it's not a show anymore. The West Wing is over, but it still says "The West Wing is" in the heading. I left a notice regarding tense change. - Zone46 20:00, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

heh, I was just gonna change it back to 'is' to see someone did it right then :P definitely should stay "is"

[edit] Song inquiries

  • Who sang the theme in the first season? It was neither Cheap Trick nor Big Star.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Calbaer (talk • contribs) 18:26, 15 December 2005.
  • In the one episode where they go skinny dipping in the resevoir and Jakcie gets sick, and the boyfriend of jackie sees her and she is so ugly, what song is playing?!?!? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.153.165.114 (talk • contribs) 12:00, 7 November 2004.

[edit] Fez's Name

I remember reading somewhere that Fez's name is actually an abreviation of Foreign Exchange Student, though I'm not sure about this. Does anyone else know about this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.129.47.146 (talk • contribs) 17:24, 3 February 2006.

I heard this, I believe it is true. Mr Bisciut 21:29, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

It's most likely true. i think they mentioned it once on a show and they also said it on a website. --Anisha93 18:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

It used to say that on the IMDb page for the show (it doesn't any more). That is the only place I've ever seen it. Laszlo Panaflex 22:06, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

This is one of the reasons IMDb is not a reliable source: It's just another wiki. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 15:04, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

yes it does, thus it is Fes.

It's spelled Fez, though. In one episode there was a banner with his name on it, and it read "Fez." - Zone46 21:53, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Good point. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 23:48, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eric & Kelso

How are they going to write these two out?

Anyone know?--Crestville 20:01, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Eric is spending a year in Africa to earn money for college to become a teacher. Kelso got a job in Chicago as a security officer. Q0 00:26, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The location of Point Place

  • green bay? im rather sure they live near kenosha, green bay is rarely mentioned yet kenosha and chicago are.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.81.226.79 (talk • contribs) 17:32, 8 December 2004.
  • That '70s Show is a Fox Network television sitcom centered around the lives of a group of teenagers living in the fictional suburb of Point Place, Wisconsin, a suburb of Green Bay, near Milwaukee, during the late 1970s.

So...which is it...is it a suburb of Green Bay or is it near Milwaukee? It can't be both. They're nowhere near each other. bob rulz 04:47, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

It's fictitious, so I guess it can be wherever they want it to be, even somewhere impossible.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.140.46.8 (talk • contribs) 10:57, 30 November 2005.
  • Therefore I will add this information at the very beginning of the page. I will also mention this at the trivia section. --Konstantin 09:25, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
  • I see no reason to move down the information regarding Point Place's exact location as it is clearly explained on the show's official webpage that:
Where is Point Place, Wisconsin?
Point Place is a fictional suburb of Green Bay, Wisconsin. This is why many Wisconsinites may recognize names of nearby towns such as Kenosha. [1]. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.202.83.65 (talk • contribs) 13:48, 17 February 2005.
The problem with this statement is that Kenosha is on the Illinois border, south of Milwaukee and over a hundred miles from Green Bay. During the course of the show, however, they make the same mistake. They reference going shopping or to movies in or near Sheboygan and Oshkosh, which are between GB and Milw. But they also go to a dance club in Kenosha, which would be clear on the other side of Milwaukee. - Laszlo Panaflex 07:18, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
  • The shows fictional location is a consistantly shifting location "Somewhere in Wisconsin" basicly [basically] for story reasons everything is within 30 minutes of the plot point no matter how many hours it would really take to get there. To try and pinpoint it would be an exersize [exercise] is pure speculation as the number of direct contridictions [contradictions] in the show are staggering. Fairly reliably to a wisconsin native nothing they say really makes any sence [sense]. Its [It's] been in every corner of the state, Even the far north in the episode they make a quick drive to canada for booze. The article should say something to this respect and not try and pinpoint it —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.188.128.247 (talk • contribs) 02:26, 22 December 2005.

John Grisham commented at the end of his book The King of Torts that Mark Twain "often moved cities, counties, and even entire states when necessary to help move a story along." Likewise, so did Grisham in his book. I'd say that the show writers do the same for Point Place as the episodes call for it. I wouldn't try to pin Point Place to any specific city/town within Wisconsin, any more than I would for Arlen, Texas. — EagleOne\Talk 01:35, 23 December 2005 (UTC)


Did you ever noticew [notice] how the characters pronounce the names of many Wisconsin cities wrong. Like Milwaukee, the characters pronounce the cities [city's] name the way it's spelled. The real way to pronounce Milwaukee is Mawaukee, no one from Wisconsin pronouces the i and l. They also pronouce Wisconsin wrong. It's not pronounced Wisc.ons.in as they do in the show. It's really pronounced Wis.con.sin. The characters also pronounce Green Bay wrong. It's not pronounced Gre`en Bay with the esagerated [exaggerated] sound on Green. It's pronounced Green B`ay with the esagerated [exaggerated] sound on Bay. — 206.40.99.11210:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Timeline Issue

I'd like to mention a slip up that was made when the gang was arrested in Canada by the RCMP. A map of Canada on the wall of the border station clearly showed the northern territory of Nunavut. This territory was only created on April 1st, 1999. As well, the RCMP generally don't man the border crossings, a separate agency is responsible for that.

"Although the show has been on for seven years, the timeline has been noticeably slowed. When the show first began in 1998, the show was set in May 1976, and in the past seven seasons, only three years have gone by."

Thats why they should have started in 1970 instead of 76. Dumb producers, well maybe they thought the show would end sooner than assumed.--King of the Dancehall 05:21, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Or, it could be that they wanted the show's setting to be late 70's and contain references to things that happened throughout the decade, (ie, movies, music, TV). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.45.42.108 (talk • contribs) 15:35, 28 January 2006.

They probably wanted to do the Star Wars themed episode in the first season, which meant the first season had to end in 1977. It seems common for shows to last only one season, so it would make sense if they wanted the first season to be 1976-77, just in case it did get cancelled. If the storyline of each episode lasted about five or six days, then the show would still not make it to 1980. Though having more Christmas episodes than years in which the show spanned would cause continuity errors. Q0 00:26, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

I've just been watching the episodes in order... I noticed this continuity issue. In episode 3.2 "Red sees Red", Kitty quits her job as a nurse to take care of the family because Red cracks down on Hyde and Eric for smoking pot. About a season goes by where she is clearly not working, then an episode (4.13, "Jackie says cheese") happens when she walks in with a nurse's uniform on. At first I thought they had her return to the hospital without bothering to explain it, but the next episode (4.14, "Eric's hot cousin") is about her wanting to work and eventually going back to work. Thought this might be interesting, though probably not worth putting on the wiki... but maybe someone has an explanation. Cms479 17:30, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I think any discrepency here can be put down to kinky sex games, God Bless 'em.--Crestville 21:14, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Something I've noticed... a few of the early episodes of the eighth season, there Isn't a year on the license plate (where there would normally be 76, 77, etc). Any explanation?--Cms479 15:45, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

The show stopped following a timeline as the seasons progressed. If they were following the timeline, then the second half of Season 7 and all of Season 8 would take place over the course of six days, seeing as how the Season 7 episode "Winter" takes place on December 24, 1979. - Zone46 16:44, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Red in World War II

"Neither character mentioned military service in WWII in earlier episodes."

Not true, it was established that Red was in WWII in the pilot episode. Red and Bob are talking about Japanese cars, and Red says "Last time I was that close to a Japanese machine, it was shooting at me." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Simon Beavis (talk • contribs) 15:22, 10 December 2005.

Also, one night when Red excelled the car rapidly, Kitty exclaimed, "You're not getting a flashback to Guadalcanal, are you? Mike H. That's hot 02:52, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Weasel language in "8th Season changes"

I edited the "Decline" and "Lack of continuity" sections down into the present form, the more neutral "8th Season changes". In the process I eliminated a lot of negative POV and weasel language. Please do not include language such as "Many fans feel..." or "Some fans think...". This kind of language adds nothing to the article, especially as when there are no sources to back them up. See Wikipedia:Avoid weasel words for some advice on how to avoid this kind of language. — EagleOne\Talk 18:52, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Show is Jumping

If Fez and Jackie don't finally hook up, this show will jump the shark. It's already in shark infested waters. Put this into the article. --Zaphnathpaaneah 07:11, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I feel that isn't NPOV, which is the reason I reverted it. The content that was already in the section is fact, whereas your edit was opinion. -- PS2pcGAMER 07:21, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Memorable Quotes

Someone recently added this section. Is there any reason to keep it as Wikiquote serves the same function? There is already a page over there for the show, so the quotes can just be moved over there IMO. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 23:43, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. A list of random funny quotes is not encyclopedic, unless they are so ingrained in the popular consciousness that almost everyone recognizes them. I am removing the quotes section. —Psychonaut 06:37, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Bad idea. Now we have to resort to IMDB quotes. --domokun

Use Wikiquote.Kundor 17:57, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

i would honestly like to see some content on this because it is generally accepted how the show strated to decline after grace and kutcher left.

[edit] No Mention of Marijuana and "Circles"?

In almost every episode (if not every), some of the characters get into a "circle," where it's implied that they have been smoking marijuana. As they discuss any current situations, the camera moves around the circle to whoever is speaking, and it is clear that the characters are not in full control of their faculties. Even when the parents accidentally consume Hyde's "brownies with the special ingredient," they hid in the garage and had a circle of their own.

Shouldn't something this integral to the series be mentioned? I would write it myself if I had a better understanding of the "pot culture" and time to learn all the Wikipedia conventions. Cuteswan 16:30, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

There isn't much specific plot detail in this article. However, as far as a reoccurring event, this is quite common and should probably be mentioned, I am just not sure where. I would encourage you however to go ahead and add it and if the wiki syntax is off, someone will correct it quickly. Please don't worry about making a mistake on wikipedia as either your or someone else can fix it if necessary. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 02:34, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I added this:
"Signature elements of That '70s Show includes surreal dream sequences to illustrate the various characters' vivid imagination, and the 360-degree scenes, also known as the Circle. The Circle are usually used to illustrate the teens' marijuana use in Eric Formans basement. As they discuss any current situations, the camera moves around the circle to whoever is speaking." I know my English is rusty, so please correct it if it needs to be corrected. --User:Mirshafie

[edit] Time Lapse

I could have sworn this show was on before 1998. I have memories of watching it in 1996 and 1997. Mabye my memory is just giving out? Captain Jackson 01:26, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Probably just the fact that they've gone into such heavy reruns on FOX JQF 01:36, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Hello Wisconsin!"

This edit changed from claiming that Hyde/Danny Masterson shouted "Hello Wisconsin!" in the theme song to claiming that Kelso/Ashton Kutcher did. According to this faq, however, it's Hyde/Danny Masterson. They might have gotten their info from wikipedia, however: does anyone have evidence? Kundor 18:00, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

In the 1st season it was Masterson and in the 2nd thru 6th seasons it was Kutcher acording to the season 1 or 2 dvd. I don´t know about after Kutcher left anoyone else know? -Unregistered guest. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.248.124.212 (talk • contribs) 14:33, 12 May 2006.

[edit] Other characters

Aren't Charlie Richardson and Samantha important enough to at least get a mention? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.218.198.104 (talk • contribs) 18:29, 30 March 2006.

Also, what about Donna's sisters?

[edit] Jumping the shark removed?

The Jumping the Shark section of this article was removed[2] because it looked like OR.

Well how, exactly, do you cite a TV show? How many books/Web sites/films document exactly what went on in a show, so that we can cite them? Does the fact that something exists only on TV make it inadmissable on Wikipedia?

Saying that "Kelso was written out of the show in Season 8" is just as good as citing a source. The fact that this could be unfaithfully documented is just as true for people citing books as sources. I can sit here and lie about something that happened in the show as easily as I could lie in a science article about something I read in a book. Besides, there are countless examples of just this kind of thing on Wikipedia with no accusations of OR: deux ex machina or M*A*S*H (TV series) for example. --Stellis 23:34, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Facts about characters leaving the show in such-and-such a season are different to an evaluation of whether a show "jumped the shark". — Matt Crypto 10:54, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Final Episode

There is no proof I've seen that Topher Grace will be in last episode. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that should be removed/editted. Marcus1060 05:14, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] That 80's Show

How did That 70's Show last 8 seasons and That 80's Show last not even 1. Kevmicester2000 11:46, 25, May 2006 (UTC)

For a very simple reason, That 70s Show was good and That 80s Show was bad.ImmortalDragon 21:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Longer

Couldn't of that 70's show have lasted longer if they started at the first of 1970 instead of 1976. So the question is why did they start the show so late.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kevmicester2000 (talk • contribs) 13:30, 14 June 2006.

I'm guessing it was to do with when the writers were 16. It already lasted too long. Plus 1970 was a very differant world.--Crestville 20:47, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I read somewhere that it was because they wanted to add Star Wars into the show at the beginning. ImmortalDragon 03:25, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

the main reason is simply that when the show was first conceived, there is no way that the writers could have dreamed that it would last 8 seasons. Just look at That 80's show, it wasnt a terrible concept but the show wasnt well received and it was cancelled midway through the first season. By setting the show in 1976, it wasnt right on the tail of the 'end of the 60's.' In hindsight though, the writers probably would have set the film earlierazzytyb

[edit] Other vehicles in series

Anyone know what Red's car is? I'm thinking Toyota Corolla but I'm not quite sure. And what about Kelso's van? --Zilog Jones 01:56, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Red's car is certainly a Toyota. Kelso's van is, among the three makes, not a Ford Econoline. I believe it's a Chevrolet?? --Guroadrunner 11:42, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup and Expansion

I did some cleaning up on this article, but I need the help of "experts" who have followed and know the show better than I do. (I was never interested first-run, and I'm just getting caught up in reruns). Maybe we could add sections on the various relationships and jobs characters had throughout the series, or other things of that nature. - Zone46 04:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dave Thomas Special Guest

needs a serious disambig ... Btyner 23:28, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia Section Issue

"That patrick Farrley thing is rubbish, Topher was originally chose as the creators of the show saw him in a plya t their chil's school and decided to give him the role.*"

This seems to be a bit random and/or a bit rushed --86.135.189.219 19:34, 14 September 2006 (UTC)Lucas

[edit] Requesting semi-protection

Someone keeps writing about a movie without citing any sources. This has been going on for several months now and I'm tired of reverting. If anyone can semi-protect the page for a while, maybe this will stop. Unless there really is going to be a movie (fat chance), then I'll just shut up. – Zone46 23:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

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