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Contents 1 No Evidence 2 There is evidence 2.1 Be Specific 3 Ludicrous 3.1 Evidence 4 Family names of Nayaks and relatives

[edit] No Evidence

Thanjavur Nayaks were not Balija. There is no evidence in any of three references cited. Sevappa Nayudu who served in Vijayanagar court is considered a Padmanayaka Velama, although solid proof is not available. The Madhura Nayaks were Balija merchants who had long and bitter rivalry with Thanjavur Nayaks.Kumarrao 12:52, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] There is evidence

Thanjavur Naiks are Balija Naidus like Madurai and Vijayanagar kings. Please refer to Edgar Thurston's "Castes and Tribes of Southern India" and Kante Narayana Desai's "Balijakula Charithra".

[edit] Be Specific

It is very unfortunate that Wiki is being used to put forward unsubstantiated theories. One should log in with propoer User name and then should cite proper references e.g., which volume of Thurston's book and the page number. I could not find such a reference. "History" books writtten to prop up caste-based claims are not reliable. An important point was forgotten while claiming Thanjavur Nayaks belonged to Balija group. There was sworn rivalry between Madurai and Thanjavur nayaks right from the inception of these kingdoms. In fact, this rivalry went upto the extent of inviting muslim kings to destroy the fellow Hindu kingdoms. Chokkanatha Nayak destroyed Thanjavur on the "flimsy" marital ground. The affiliation of Thanjavur nayaks was not mentioned in any historical records. I also appeal to downplay the caste affiliation in Wiki articles. Subtle mention in the running matter does no harm. Kumarrao 12:10, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

True Kumar rao... Maybe you should go ahead and delete the words Kamma in Musunuri Nayaks.Please donot come and preach here!!!!!!! Anyway its the truth whats wrong in doing that ???

I see youve got so much of Knowledge that you have started to claim and say Edgar Thurston is wrong good work Dude... Madurai and Tanjavore were Enemies right from the inception... You are kidding me can you tell me when that was and how that was...

And reagarding your theory of Velamas being Tanjavur Nayaks there are contradictory proofs which say they are Balija and you are the only one who is claiming without proofs that they are Velama.Even the Velamas cannot counter this claim...

And for your information if you want to hold your argument that Madurai and Tanjore nayaks were sworn enemines right from their incpetion then the Viajaynagar rulers did not have any love lost for the Velamas they were defeated and subjugated and sent off from their native kingdoms to avoid trouble. And no sane emperor would gift his daughter and his lands to an Enemy which has such good history of upsurping rulers... (Musunuri Nayaks and Reddys) are very good examples...

Also one again please dont delete content and references in articles... When you cant show any prrof that they are wrong or atleast post valid counter arguments... PadmaVelama Nayaks were sworn rivals of the Balijas who ruled from chandragiri and they were reponsible for eliminating the last ruler of the Araveeti Dynasity of Vijayanagar and Tanjavore Nayaks were the ones who aided and supported the Vijaynagar rulers when they ruled from Chandragiri towards the end of the Vijayanagar rule...

And regarding the war on the flimsy ground of marital allainces its pretty much clear that Chokanatha Nayaka was a maniac and it showed in all his dealings and the way he ruled his kingdom...

[edit] Ludicrous

It is rather ludicrous to imply that authors like Thurston and the like wrote "History" books to promote caste- based claims.Thurston's book is not a history book ,it is an authority on Castes and Tribes of Southern India and is greatly respected by all except a few who may feel that Thurston's book became a big obstacle for spreading their half truths.

[edit] Evidence

I shall be happy to accept the theory of the anonymous Editor that Thanjavur Nayaks were Balija if sufficient evidence is provided. Desai's book is not reliable, which was what I meant earlier. I greatly respect Thurston's work. He said nowhere Thanjavur nayaks were Balija. If he said so, please mention the volume and page numbers. I shall withdraw my previous remarks in the Talk page. The surnames mentioned (both Madurai and Thanjavur nayaks) exist in many social groups of Telugu population. Please keep the articles academic.Kumarrao 18:29, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Family names of Nayaks and relatives

Before asking somebody to mention the volume and page numbers of Thurston book may I ask the gentleman to show the volume numbers and the page numbers of books that he read to prove that Thanjavur Nayaks were Padmanayaka Velamas and not Balija Naidus. By saying that the sur names of Madurai and Thanjavur nayaks exist in many social groups,it appears that he is making a futile effort to show that the Nayaks were not Balija Naidus and belonged to some other caste.It is a well known fact that sur names coincide in different castes of Telugu people and on that flimsy ground one can not attempt to prove that Nayaks belonged to some other caste and not to Balija Naidu caste. Whether it is going to help or not I am tempted to give a small piece of information here.Madura King Vijayaranga Chokka Natha naidu once held a great meeting in Sreerangam to which he invited all royal family members of his caste,Balija. The family names of the royal members were:

Garikepati(Madurai Nayaks'family name), Alluri, Chintalapuri, Chenchi, Thupakula, Thota, Pagadala, Degala, Neelakantham, Rayalakulam, Savaram,Puram, Setty, Katthi, Vazrala, Dalavai, Ande, Kunche, Javvaji, Gandhala, Gopisetti, Medisetti, Vanga, Enugula, Koppula, Kotte, Kanakala, Chandu, Yarramsetti, Yerra, Chinnamsetti, Marisetti, Pasupuleti, Kamatham, Manku, Dhanasetti, Sreepathi etc. Of course these family names can be seen in other castes also.