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Textile means any product made of textile fibers. This includes raw fibers, yarns, and woven, non-woven, and knit cloth. Textile should not be merged with cloth because "textile" is a more inclusive term than "cloth". T he first line reads:

A textile is any kind of woven cloth, or a cloth made of fibres that have been bonded into a fabric without weaving. eg. felt. ???

I will update this somewhat. Some of the types of cloth are not necessary. An entry for geotextiles would be useful.

Jackiespeel 18:21, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Textile is also a kind of ReStructured_Text http://textism.com/tools/textile/

Contents 1 Textile, cloth and fabric 2 Listiness 3 Possible merge 4 Organic textiles. 5 Organic textiles. 6 textile leather 7 about listiness 8 NO to merge 9 Links pruned 10 Where did the non-perpendicular weave go? 11 WP:COTW votes 11.1 Textile (7 votes, stays until August 19) 12 To Be Done

[edit] Textile, cloth and fabric

I was trying to understand the difference between cloth and textile. Just by looking at the Webster's definition, it seems that cloth is more inclusive and includes all woven and non-woven fabric, while textile is only woven fabric. If I am wrong about this, and there is no distiction between cloth and fabric, then they should be combined into to one article. ike9898 02:18, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and while we're at it, how does fabric fit into the sceme? ike9898 02:23, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)

Good point. Fabric disambiguates to cloth which treats the two as the same. I don't think they are the same: I consider cloth to be a subset of both fabric (which might also include leather or PVC) and of textile (which might be stretched so far as to cover net). Noisy | Talk 11:33, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)

--- TEXTILE ARTIST--- I am a textile artist at California College of Arts & Crafts in SF/Oakland. Here in the Textile department, we have expanded the definition of Textiles, while maintaining the name (other schools now have "Fiber" departments instead), because it places us in the lineage of the Arts & Crafts movement, on which the school was founded. The word Textile comes from the latin "texere" : to weave. So yes, Textile literally means anything woven on a loom, but not necessarily fiber, it can be copper wire, monofilament, wood, branches, plastic tubes etc. However, at the textile department, we do not exclusively teach Weaving. The department consits of Weaving, Dying, Printing, Knitting, Crocheting, Felting, Twining (basketry), Plaiting, and sewing. In this context, textiles are defined as a flexible product that is comprised of multiple parts (usually fibers) that are interlaced in some way, OR a design that is applied to a textile, like printing and dying. Textile also refers to the fiber itself, so yarn is also called a textile.

FABRIC/CLOTH/TEXTILE:

SO if textiles can be all of the above, what are fabric and cloth? Fabric means to construct or make ie Fabricate... In my understanding, fabric is a material that is woven, knitted, crocheted, or felted (possibly dyed and/or printed as well), that is not usually understood as a finished piece in it's own right. Fabric is usually cut or sewn and used for some other application, like garment making or upholstery. Cloth and fabric are somewhat interchangable, but cloth has certain uses that fabric doesn't. For example, as I mentioned above, Fabric is a material with potential to be made into something. Cloth can be used in this way, but it also commonly refers to a finished piece that has it's own use, like a Dish Cloth, loin cloth, or table cloth. Try to replace "cloth" with "fabric" in one of these couplets, and you'll understand the difference.

SUMMARY:

Textile most specifically refers to a piece constructed of multiple parts that interlace, usually fibers, that is flexible, has tensile strength, or a printed or dyed design like Shibori. Examples of Textiles that are NOT commonly refered to as fabric: Baskets, Mats, Tapestries, carpets.

Fabric usually refers to a material that is woven, knitted, crocheted, or felted, that implies another use like garment making, printing, dying, or upholstery.

Cloth is a more nuanced word for fabric that usually implies a complete finished piece, like table cloth. (This from 66.92.28.178 (talk • contribs))

Thanks for the clarification. That accords with my understanding as well. User:Noisy | Talk 00:29, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Listiness

I think that this article could be improved by making it less "listy". The last 2/3 of the article is mostly lists. Let's make this into a real article.....ike9898 18:28, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

Hello. Can someone check/edit the caption on the second illustration? I think the "right to left" order is reversed in the identifcation of the fabrics as shown. Thanks, Stu.

[edit] Possible merge

Currently there is an article named Textile manufacturing terminology which probably should have a list of different terms and their meanings. The article currently located there has good information, but is not the list that such a title suggests. Much of that info could probably be moved here, and a list of terms created at that page. If we don't move that article here, it should probably get renamed, but I can't think of something appropriate. Loggie July 1, 2005 17:33 (UTC)

I moved the old Textile manufacturing terminology to Textile manufacturing, but I still think some of that information might be useful here, if someone else would take a look. Loggie July 3, 2005 18:22 (UTC)

I think that some text on textile manufacturing does belong in this article, but the reason that I created the Textile manufacturing terminology article in the first place was because I thought it would eventually get very large and overwhelm the original Textile article. Given the state of the current article, that seems very likely.

As with all my projects, I started with something else (Industrial Revolution, in this case) and drifted onto something completely different. When I'm back on my home computer at the weekend, I'll try and refocus on this area. Noisy | Talk 18:29, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for re-organizing the article. It looks much, much better now. Loggie 01:00, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

I've been try to organise the stubs a bit. I think it generally goes Science|Applied Science|Materials Science|Textiles|* and obviously Engineering|Materials Science|... Kraiken 21:03 September 2, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Organic textiles.

[edit] Organic textiles.

I'm new to this so appologies for doubles etc. And also for probably being in the wrong section.

That being said in ROMP Ltd I hold licence X0001 from the Soil Association in the UK for the production of Organic Leather and we are about to crack denim/cotton as well.

I would like to propose a definition of Organic Textiles for discussion and final submission to Ifoam.

An Organic textile is one where the husbandry of the Soil at Planting or Birth is Certified organic to the same Organic standard of the eventual product. All processes in the farming section are to that same standard with full separation until the raw material is presented to the Textile production stages. The raw material is then treated in a manufacturing system that is also Organically certified to the same standard and separate in all aspects until the textile is complete. This includes all physical and all chemical stages especially dye-ing. And finally an organic textile should contain an element in the final price which rewards the original producer fairly so that the Organic movement as a whole and the organic farmer specifially is rewarded directly for their status

To product a finished organic article from that textile to the original organic standard requires a certified factory and designer brand, and retailer.

At the moment 99% of the Organic Textile that I see gives up after raw material and introduces non-organic materials during the dye phase. They also promote cheap labour which appears to be counter productive to the imperative and pressing need to change. Hence we see Organic Cotton T shirts sold as such but printed and dyed with increased levels of Chromium based dyes and manufactured in the same factories and at the same appalling labour rates as is the norm today.

Of couse I am totally biased hence the need to open up the debate but would be very interested in logical and well thoughtout positions on where we are in the cycle and what is trully in the best interests of the planet.

Greg The Romp Project

[edit] textile leather

The expression "textile leather" is used increasingly. I have no idea what it means, supposedly a leather subtitute. I found no definition and also no systematic classification until now. If it is a special kind of fabric it would also be interesting to learn more about its properties or making.

Peter Loster

I found this definition: Textile leather: 11% cotton, 2% Polyurethan, 87% PVC

[edit] about listiness

all the processes in the textiles arctical have there own page ..and it is easy to load a page and then follow the links ..if you will merge the pages then users like me who do not have a good borwsing speed will suffer,

[edit] NO to merge

A textile, such as a crocheted or knitted piece, is not cloth. Textile artists work with FIBER, not necessarily with cloth. Zora 14:06, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

What about merging Cloth into Textile, then? Hajhouse 15:38, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Cloth is a particularly important form of textile and deserves its own article. Zora 23:19, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I oppose as well. However both articles require a major cleanup and a clear separation of "responsibilities". In particular textile/cloth/fabric term usage must be clearly described. mikka (t) 23:00, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

No to merging period. The technical distinction is clear, why is something used to make cloths being confused with industrial textiles which make conveyor belts, automotive fan belts, tires, etc.? I'm section editing looking for something else, but cloth <-->clothing is distinct from things like composite armor for Abrahms tanks and the like. If I can be of help, someone drop a note. FrankB 03:32, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Considering the elapsed time now that I can see it, shouldn't someone call a formal vote, or just remove the merge templates? FrankB 03:35, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Links pruned

I got rid of all but one link! All the rest were commercial, or dead, or so abstruse as not to be useful. A list of Italian textile names would be better off in an article on Renaissance clothing. Too limited for here.

I'm constantly appalled by people's willingless to exploit WP for a possible financial gain. Zora 17:48, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Where did the non-perpendicular weave go?

Some months ago, a came across a definition for a textile, that was woven but non-perpendicular. It seemed as if it were describing something other than non-woven. I have developed a new type of fabric with a new method of construction and was looking for the proper terminology to describe it.

[edit] WP:COTW votes

[edit] Textile (7 votes, stays until August 19)

Nominated July 29, 2006; needs at least 9 votes by August 19, 2006

Support

1. Yvwv 19:09, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
2. Ynhockey ^(Talk) 20:58, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
3. Davodd 21:54, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
4. jwanders^Talk 16:12, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
5. ike9898 18:24, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
6. Siddhant 14:03, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
7. Ellie041505 14:07, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Comments

• A large topic with a miserable article. Most of the article consists of incomplete lists.

So... does someone usually coordinate these COTWs, or do we all just sort of fly at 'er? --jwanders^Talk 05:49, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] To Be Done

Sorry if this annoys some people, but I always make this sort of list for articles that need a lot of work. Here's what needs to be done. Support, refute, or propose suggestions as needed.

• Introductory Paragraph: Remember the huge argument over the definition of textile, fabric, and cloth? If not, read some of the comments above. One of them provided a comprehensive definition of each term that everyone seemed to agree with, which could be incorporated into the article.
• Sources and Types/Treatments: These should be placed with the lists that they correspond to (which should not be lists.)
• Uses: Surely the uses of textiles can be discussed in MORE than two sentences?
• Lists: We should turn these into paragraphs. For the types of textile, we should state the different materials within each division (animal, plant, synthetic, etc.), what plant, animal, or petroleum product they are derived from, and what they are used for. For the processes involved in making textiles, we should give brief descriptions of each process (carding, spinning, weaving, etc.), and which processes are used for which types of textiles. Most of this information can be found in the articles for each type of textile or for each process.

Thanks. Ellie041505 13:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)