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[edit] Shared IP 'Create an account' message

I've noticed that many times a shared IP anon user that makes useful edits has some test messages on the talk page. How about a message for these IPs that encourages an account?

My draft:

Welcome to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia!

Your IP address appears to be shared. In the past other users have made edits that could be seen as vandalism to Wikipedia. It advised that you create a unique User account.

You don't have to log in to read or edit articles on Wikipedia, but creating an account is quick, free and non-intrusive, requires no personal information, and gives you many benefits, including:

• The use of a username of your choice
• The ability to view all your contributions via a "My contributions" link
• Your own user page
• Your own talk page which, if you choose, also allows users to send you messages without knowing your e-mail address
• The use of your own personal watchlist to which you can add articles that interest you
• The ability to rename pages
• The ability to upload images
• The ability to customize the appearance and behavior of the website
• The eligibility to become an administrator
• The right to be heard in votes and elections
• Your IP address will no longer be visible to other users.

We hope that you choose to become a Wikipedian and create an account. Feel free to ask me any questions you may have on my talk page. We hope you enjoy your time here on Wikipedia as a Wikipedian!

Comments? --Elliskev 03:18, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

It sounds great, and a similar one already exists: {{anon}}. It doesn't have the "Your IP appears to be shared" bit, but it's the same basic template. I'd suggest adding this notice to the talk page there, or just going ahead and creating it at something like {{sharedwelcome}} or suchlike. I support the idea. However, you should delete "The ability to view all your contributions via a 'My contributions' link" since they already have that (on their userpage), and "Your own talk page which, if you choose, also allows users to send you messages without knowing your e-mail address" as they obviously have a talk page or this wouldn't be posted, and that's not an entirely accurate description of the "E-mail this user" feature. I'd also rephrase "The ability to customize the appearance and behavior of the website" as it's not obvious whether or not you're talking about a skin &c., becuase they already can change the appearance of the website by editing it. Blackcap (talk) 05:36, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Yeah. {{anon}} is what spawned the idea. I noticed that many times the anon IPs are shared (probably schools) and thought that it might be an added incentive to register by pointing out that the IP address has been used in the past by vandals. But, I really prefer the User:Rd232/anon-welcome idea. --Elliskev 20:31, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

I drafted User:Rd232/anon-welcome, but didn't have time to pursue that approach further. I think its clarity and brevity and formatting has merit, especially, looking at how messy many IP talk pages get. It's designed to be put once at the top of an IP talk page, before any scary messages about vandalism. Rd232 ^talk 09:49, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

You know what? I like User:Rd232/anon-welcome better than my idea. I like the box. It really draws attention to the idea that IP addresses can be associated with vandalism. I suggest that it be moved to a template and added to the cool table on this page. I will use it once that's done. --Elliskev 20:24, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

I like it too. It's well drafted, and deserves its own template page. I'd create it at {{vandal-welcome}}, as it's not for solely productive IPs (which is what {{anon}} is for). My suggestion, so long as you approve, is to move User:Rd232/anon-welcome to a new template-namespace page. What would you suggest for a title? Blackcap (talk) 20:40, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm happy that people like it :). I'd suggest being careful with "vandal" in the name, as if people applying the template don't use "subst:" the template name shows up and it may give the wrong impression; maybe {{vandal-past-welcome}}, which is precise if a bit long. A variation of {{shared-welcome}} would perhaps be best. Rd232 ^talk 22:24, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

You've got a good point about not using subst, so I'm moving towards {{shared-welcome}}, myself. In the instructions on the talk page we could put a notice saying to use subst on it. Blackcap (talk) 22:37, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

How about {{safewelcome}}? --Elliskev 23:46, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Done using {{sharedwelcome}} (we can change the name later if we want). Rd232 ^talk 21:50, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Template:nn-test

I think there should be a non-notable template created; I think it would fit in just before test-n on the chart. Something that can gently warn (typically new users) their articles/additions are non-notable and will be deleted by Wikipedians given such and such criteria. Then direct them to pages on how to contribute notable stuff. - RoyBoy ⁸⁰⁰ 21:01, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Ther is {{nn-warn}} for A7 speedys, but I gather you want soemthing more generic? DES ^(talk) 18:02, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Punctuation error

"Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed." Remove the comma. ~Topaz^♪♫∆ 11:48, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

The comma is appropriate (IMHO). —David Levy 12:35, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More friendly?

I feel the test templates need to be made more friendly. We really don't want to scare these people away. I was thinking something more like this (though I am *definitly* not a copyeditor). It doesnt hurt to be nice even to people who are vandalising. -Ravedave 04:10, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

New2: Welcome to Wikipedia! Your test edit on the page XXXX worked, and has been removed. The best way to do tests in the future would be to use the sandbox. If you would like information on how to edit Wikipedia take a look at the welcome page. If you have any questions about why your edits were removed, or if you need any help, feel free to leave a message on my talk page.

New1: Welcome to Wikipedia! Your test edit on the page XXXX worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you would like to do. Take a look at the welcome page for information on how to contribute to our encyclopedia. If you have any questions about why your edits were removed feel free to leave a message on my talk page, thank you.

Old: Thanks for experimenting with the page XXXX on Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks.

I like the new version, personally. I've always thought the original a bit 'standoffish' despite its AGF tone. --Malthusian (talk) 17:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

The new message sounds good to me. Though, how about instead of "contribute to our encyclopedia", say "contribute to Wikipedia"? Wikipedia isn't "ours" but rather "anyone" can edit it. -Aude (talk | contribs) 20:42, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree, I have updated it, along with some small tweaks - see the "New2" section -21:48, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Tweaked alot again. Any input anyone? -Ravedave 22:55, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd just stick with "Thanks", rather "Thanks and Happy editing!" Exclamatory remarks, in general, are rarely productive. It comes off as bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, which provokes murderous responses in some. Otherwise I'm fine with it. –Abe Dashiell ^(t/c) 23:04, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Apart from Adashiel's suggestion, I would change "If you would like information on how to edit Wikipedia take a look at the welcome, how to edit a page or editing tutorial pages" back to "Take a look at the welcome page for information on how to contribute to our encyclopedia". I think we should have one single link, or it'll just confuse editors as to which link to follow, for no good reason as the welcome page covers just about everything. --Malthusian (talk) 23:10, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Re-edited New2 to in line with comments. I'll leave it up to the poster to add the thanks/happeyediting etc Where do I go with this now to get it implemented? Anyone an admin round abouts here? -Ravedave 03:22, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Caution

I cut my forefinger yesterday evening trying to open a packet of Tesco cheese and, since that finger is currently out of action to type with until the plaster comes off, have been on the of verge typing {{subst:twat}} on new, impressionable editors' pages all day. Just a warning to any other RC-patrolling editors who suffer shrink-wrap-packaging-related injuries :-) --Malthusian (talk) 17:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Text combining test and test-n

In the interests of simplicity and efficiency; I would like to combine test and test-n into one template, called test1 (to keep with the naming convention). The code would be below.

Thanks for experimenting with {{qif |test = {{boolnot | {{{1|}}} }} |then = Wikipedia. |else = the [[:{{{1}}}]] page on Wikipedia. }} Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use [[Wikipedia:Sandbox|the sandbox]] for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the [[Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers|welcome page]] if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. <!-- from Template:Test --> <noinclude> [[lv:Template:Test]] [[zh:Template:Test]] [[Category:User warning templates]]</noinclude>

This has been tested in the sandbox (X1) and seems to work properly. However, the existing test templates are locked, and cannot be edited. Feedback would be appreciated.

Thanks, -- Avi 15:47, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I support this change. I also suggest adding code for referencing 2, 3 pages. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-02-08 16:53Z

Bad idea. These templates are used with subst:, which means you will be dumping a mysterious {{qif}} call in the middle of a potential newbie's user talk page. It's not that hard to remember the difference between {{test1}} and {{test1-n|Example}}. --cesarb 16:57, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

So you feel that the dangers of usng a {{qif}} call outweigh the bloated redundancy of the test templates? Granted it is mysterious, but so are the comments and such of the substituted test texts. May I ask what in particular you feel is the danger; that the {{qif}} template will be changed? -- Avi 17:06, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

If you are a newbie and get one of these, and you go edit the page to add a reply (or for any other reason), the current template shows up as simple wikitext (the only strange thing is the HTML comment, which is not that mysterious). Your proposed change not only has an extra (non-subst:'ed) template call, but it's one of the conditionals, which, while intuitive for people with some backgrounds, can completely baffle some people. This is even more important for {{test1}}, since it is directed exactly to newbies. --cesarb 17:15, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Good point, CesarB, I hadn't thought about that. Seems like a technical limitation if anything. I'm still waiting for the MediaWiki template engine to support recursive template substitution. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-02-08 22:14Z

Good luck, even the addition of simple conditionals (to replace qif) to the engine is opposed strongly by some people. --cesarb 23:21, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

It would be rather simple to merge in the derivative templates without the use of any conditional programming by using default values. Consider this code, for example:

{{test}} will output "This message concerns your recent edits", {{test|example}} would output "This message concerns example." // Pathoschild 23:29, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I like it. This would also support any number of linked articles (e.g. {{test|[[article1]], [[article2]], and [[article3]]}}). —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-02-09 04:06Z

In the words of those boys from Guiness, "BRILLIANT!" I support combining the tests that way as well, and the blanks for that matter too. If at all possible, I think it is always better to have a link to the page, JMO. -- Avi 04:12, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I was going to add a request here that the text of the new test template be adjusted to match the old test-n template: "Thanks for experimenting with the page [[:{{{1}}}]] on Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed." [emphasis mine], but if I read the comments above correctly you can't include "the page" in the new template. Is this correct? Still, the first sentence could be adjusted and you could replace the semicolon with a period.--Srleffler 02:13, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] self-correcting vandals?

What do I do when facing ips who do a test, and then revert their own test? I think we need a template to direct them to the sandbox, but something much less harsher then the templates we have now. Borisblue 05:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

See {{test-self}}. // Pathoschild (_admin / ^talk) 05:15, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

What is wrong with {{selftest}} and {{selftest-n}}? -- Avi 14:42, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

{{selftest}} redirects to {{test-self}}. ;) // Pathoschild (_admin / ^talk) 15:18, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

do'h! Thanks :) -- Avi 15:56, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Someone renamed it recently, but didn't rename all of them consistently. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-02-09 23:27Z

[edit] Doesn't work; I'll propose an alternate template in the next section

The current template (below) doesn't work; the signature is very strange.

{{editprotected&$125;}

A space in front of the template needs to be removed. Can someone do that? -- King of Hearts | (talk) 00:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes please. It completely destroys the generated text. Pavel Vozenilek 00:12, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

It was fixed a few minutes after the space was accidentally inserted; I apologize for the inconvenience this may have caused. // Pathoschild (_admin / ^talk) 01:11, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Where did the wikilink go?

Why does the test-n template no longer wikilink to the article in question? (ESkog)^(Talk) 00:56, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Because Pathos forgot to put the colon in front of the 1 in the parameter, I think. I'm not an admin, but I'll try and track one down. -- Avi 01:03, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Try "{{test|[[link]]}}" instead; this method allows you to do such things as "{{test|[[link]], [[linky]], and [[linkness]]}}", or "{{test|[[link]] and all the other crap you've been doing}}". ;) I think it's a bad idea to force an automatic link; that greatly decreases the flexibility. After a short adjustment period everyone will begin adding the links themselves. It's hardly a tragedy if the vandal can't click through to the page he's been vandalising for the first few days of the change. :) // Pathoschild (_admin / ^talk) 01:09, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

That'll work. I like having the link there because it tends to target a repeat vandal instead of having them leave their little piles all over the 'pedia. (ESkog)^(Talk) 01:12, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Yup, I've been playing with the sandbox templates, and putting the link in the parameter instead of the template seems to be the way we need to go. I was wrong about the colon, Pathos :) -- Avi 01:14, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

BTW, you should make a not of that on the template page, so people realize it, Pathos. -- Avi 01:16, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

'Tis reverted per a few complaints. See the WikiProject on user warnings, which is drafting a standardised series of warning templates that includes several similar flexible options. // Pathoschild (_admin / ^talk) 02:15, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please add category sort key

Please add a sort key.

[[Category:User warning templates]]

Should be

[[Category:User warning templates|{{PAGENAME}}]]

– Doug Bell ^{talk•contrib} 16:26, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Done. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-02-11 00:29Z

[edit] Our Encyclopedia

It isn't anymore "ours" than it is "theirs", and it sounds a bit offensive. Wouldn't it be better to say "the encyclopedia"? --Grocer 11:04, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

The word "our" doesn't necessarily exclude the person it is being directed to. "Our" can be used to include "you". –T_if_eg_o^(t) _{00:46, 20 March 2006 (UTC)}

[edit] add timestamp to comment

Perhaps add a timestamp to all test-related templates so when substed, the current timestamp is registered in the comment, this will offcourse not interfere if the template is transcluded. THis could be useful for check when exactly the user got the warning (for a bot etc...) _→AzaToth 21:46, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

<!-- Template:Test {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>CURRENTTIME}}, {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>CURRENTDAY}}, {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>CURRENTYEAR}} (UTC).-->

Not needed. Most/all people sign the test message with a regular ~~~~. Stifle (talk) 00:16, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wording

The phrase "Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed." seems a little odd to me. Would anyone object if I changed it to "but has been reverted or removed" (and maybe wikilink "reverted")?--HereToHelp 03:13, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I think "and" makes a lot more sense there; "but" suggests that it was somehow useful material. I do, however, think the way the message both starts and ends with the same word "Thanks" sounds a bit brain-dead. –T_if_eg_o^(t) _{03:31, 31 March 2006 (UTC)}

Agreed and agreed, I was actually about to leave a message about the "thanks" bit when I came across your message. GT 07:13, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll do something about the two "thanks" (thanks squared!)and link "revert", but leave the "and".--HereToHelp 23:54, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Change of wording

Should we change "Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do" into "Your test worked. However, please don't add nonsense. If you really want to experiment, use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do."?--Exir Kamalabadi^{Join Esperanza!} 11:23, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Why? That's what {{test2}} is supposed to be for. Which, I might add, I believe is in need of rewording (a simple edit that has already requested, but so far unnoticed). –T_if_eg_o^(t)_{21:07, 4 April 2006 (UTC)}

[edit] re: change of wording

However the {{test}} wording is changed, it should be. it is quite rude and presumptuous to assume that someone is "testing" or "experimenting" when their intentions may have been pure but in bad wiki form (like mine were). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.131.186.198 (talk • contribs).

There is already a softer version of {{test}}, called {{test0}}, which I'm guess you'd rather have been given. Anyway, experimentation is not such a bad thing to assume compared to vandalism. –T_if_eg_o^(t)_{07:41, 6 April 2006 (UTC)}

[edit] where'd the grid go?

Hey, wasn't there a big grid here before describing each template? I liked it and wish it would come back. Or am I confused and thinking of some other page? Ewlyahoocom 11:30, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Are you thinking of WP:TT? Petros471 23:11, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wording change

I don't like the addition of "which you are more than welcome to do" at the end. It's a bit condescending, unnecessary and very clumsy, due to the repetition of "to do" to end a sentence. Would anyone have any strong objection if I removed it? --Sam Blanning^(talk) 11:58, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea to me. -- Rick Block (talk) 14:12, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I just noticed it. I support removing that clause. Mak (talk) 21:56, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] de: equivalent

de:Vorlage:Test

--Androl 07:56, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Reverted"

Perhaps "reverted" could be changed to "undone"? -- Karada 10:18, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Punctuation error

"Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed."

As noted here, this line is in error and should have no comma. This is a matter of the rules of English grammar and not personal opinion (as was suggested by a reply to my previous mention of this error). See also the first section of this guide or your local English language guide's section on commas. ~Topaz^♪♫∆ 04:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

My understanding is that this is grammatically correct in some varieties of English. Nonetheless, I've added the word "it" to the sentence:

"Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed."

Hopefully, this is internationally acceptable. —David Levy 04:38, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Yup, that works nicely. Thanks for fixing it! ~Topaz^♪♫∆ 04:47, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Signer

I came up with a template that will autoinsert four tildes along with the text. Can I put it on here?

[edit] HTML comment

The comments <!-- begin:template:test--> and <!-- end:Template:Test--> should be removed and replaced with one <!-- Template:Test (first level warning) --> to be consistent with the majority of warnings. --Chris (talk) 00:24, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

As a side note, I notice that the current comment was introduced to allow bots to parse it easier. Just a hint: it's a hell of a lot harder to parse it if it keeps changing. Pick a comment format, and leave it the hell alone. --Chris (talk) 00:52, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Done.--Commander Keane 16:52, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] lb equivalent

lb:Template:Test

--Briséis 12:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Test Wiki

Since a test Wikipedia exists, why don't we mention that alongside the sandbox on the template? (e.g. "Please use the sandbox or test wiki for any other tests you want to do.") --Gray Porpoise 00:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

No such thing as the Test Wiki. Either you are mistaken, or you made mistakes in typing it in. --Yancyfry jr

Gray probably meant http://test.wikipedia.org/ (without www). Han-Kwang 17:51, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fix redirected link

On a minor note, the link that says "welcome page" should be changed to link to Wikipedia:Introduction instead of Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers, which is a redirect. Dar-Ape 01:06, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Has been done. Dar-Ape 02:04, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template addition

Could someone add {{TestTemplatesNotice}} to the template (within the <noinclude> tag)? I'd do it myself, but it is protected. EVula 18:09, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I came here to ask the same thing. — blobglob talk 01:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Done. —Centrx→talk • 01:42, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks you. — blobglob talk 19:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC)