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[edit] Thanks

Hi, thanks for the kind comments; just trying to help out! Kid Banzai 11:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Huh?

What are you saying, Tenebrae? Brian Boru is awesome 18:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words but I'm not an admin. Brian Boru is awesome 18:14, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

I appreciate what you put on my talk page. I agree with what you said about the other editors. Sometime people just get caught up in so much of the politics of this place that they lose sight of what is going on, even though they mean well. I am just glad I can be here to provide my, as you put it,"plain-spoken common sense". Phoenix741 13:21, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

PS:I think you should look the the new comment I made on Talk:List of S.H.I.E.L.D. members. Since the Civil War ended the way it did, it might need some major add-ons.

[edit] Admin

Why are you not an admin? --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 19:29, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

That is a good question, heck i would support you, if my support would have any weight.Phoenix741 13:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
That's flattering beyond words, to hear this from two peers and excellent editors. I'm not sure I have the temperament or the time — it's been weeks since I've been able to write an article, just from the upkeep of my watchlist. But I'm honored by your suggestion, as corny as I might sound. Maybe that would the be logical progression.... With great respect, --Tenebrae 19:42, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Factual error in CfD

In the discussion Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_February_14#Category:Worldcon_Guests_of_Honor, you asserted that "conventions are commercial operations" and that guests are just "whatever celebrity-in-the-field that you can convince to come". These statements are factually untrue (and fairly insulting to both hard-working volunteers and honored guests). Please see the revised Worldcon article for further details. Avt tor 21:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for writing. I did go to the Worldcon article. From the number of uncited, "insidery" assertions, it gives the impression of having been largely written by someone associated with Worldcon, rather than an objective editor.
The article really doesn't address the points I brought up. Is Worldcon mounted by a volunteer organization, with no salaried employees? The article doesn't say. Does it have sponsorships? How does it pay for itself every year? The article doesn't say. The point about guests of honor being who is available comes from experience in the profession. I feel badly that my comments were taken personally. Are you associated with Worldcon?--Tenebrae 21:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Worldcons have no employees and are entirely run by volunteers with no salaraied employees. If you look at the article, you'll see that they are not-for-profit organizations, very different from a commercial Comic Con or Star Trek convention.Shsilver 22:06, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I have taken your suggestions and expanded the section on committees to explain some of the questions you raised. As a matter of fact, what you are calling "insidery assertions" are stock responses to frequently asked questions; it is exactly because some people distribute their inaccurate impressions that many of us have stock answers. I have no idea what you mean by "experience in the profession"; there is no "profession" of Worldcon organizers other than the informal and self-selected "Permanent Floating Worldcon Committee" (I guess that's another point to add to the article), and certainly science fiction authors would know they don't get paid to go to conventions.
Yes, I have been volunteering at Worldcons for the past dozen years. Although I endeavor to write in a NPOV, I do not claim to be personally objective, but merely informed on the articles I contribute to. When I write on topics about American politics, I write for readers interested in American politics; when I write about Canada, I write for readers interested in Canada, and when I contribute to articles about science fiction fandom, I write for readers interested in science fiction fandom. A very small number of people are contributing to Wikipedia articles of interest to a large audience of fans. Avt tor 22:46, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
You may have been led astray, Tenebrae, by your professional experience with comics conventions, which are much more commercialized and organized under completely different principles. Worldcons are an entirely different affair, operating under an older, all-volunteer paradigm. (I've only been attending them for 31 years, but I am beginning to get the hang of this fandom thing.) --Orange Mike 20:56, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:THANKS

Not a problem. That's why they made me an admin, no? Anyway, I watchlisted your userpage in case that vandal returns as a different IP. Keep up the vandal reverting! Heimstern Läufer 05:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

Thank you, its always good to see you too. Sorry about not replying about the John Buscema controversy. By the time I checked it out, there didn't seem to be anything of value I could add to the conversation. Stephen Day 02:41, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quick Question, nothing really important.

Is there a place where people can idk "announce" new user boxes that were made. I am asking this cause well I made this one.

This user is mourning the death of The Star-Spangled Avenger


and well I think it would be cool if they were put on people's user pages now, instead of like 5 months after all they hype is over. I did put it in Wikipedia:Userboxes/Media/Comics but i really don't think people check that page often for updates.Phoenix741 15:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey i will be the first get up and dance if he comes back. But from what i have been hearing he is dead, and i need to mourn 8-P.Phoenix741 13:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
In Civil War: Initiative, Ms. Marvel says he is alive and hidden. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 23:21, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I heard about that, and well i kept hearing that he is dead, like dead dead, like Ms. Marvel was wrong.Phoenix741 23:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Y'know, I gotta tell ya, the way the article is right now (at least at this particular moment!) seems pretty good: States things in a straightforward fashion while taking the particular conventions of comic-book deaths into account. I'm feeling pretty proud of my colleagues and myself -- at least, as I said, at this particular moment! --Tenebrae 00:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually i am suprised about the amount of vandaliosm that has happened to this page(as in the lack of it). I would expect people to be doing reverts every few seconds, but it does not seem that bad.Phoenix741 15:55, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] the punisher article

hi!, seems like a lot of personal point of views, verifiability issues and original research has been going on in the article. i would appreciate if you can stop by and have your professional review on the current edits on the said article... †Bloodpack† 02:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

sup! thanks for stopping by in the article and the major copy/edits. I would also like to know your inputs regarding the "other version" section of this article. We have the ultimate version in it. Should we also include the 2099 version? or the manga version? i mean, the punisher had a lot of versions. Do you think it should all be included in the article or should we create a "see main article" template? any ideas? thanks! †Bloodpack† 22:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] before i forget...

Image:CopyeditorStar7.PNG The Copyeditor's Barnstar
Thanks for all the support regarding the Punisher article! Hope you're always around to keep the WP:COMIC in top shape ;] †Bloodpack† 22:47, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] re: Sock puppet?

I think it's a piece of "common knowledge" around the Comics Project that he has one or more IPAs (another possibility being 203.46.189.91). The pisser is I don't think he's doing it to sock but due to laziness/carelessness.

I know of at least one other user that does the same thing: User:Basique. He's even gone to the extent of redirecting the the talk page for the IPA he uses (69.136.111.100) to his named account.

But where Basique will at least engage in civil discourse, work with others, and abide by consensus driven decisions, Asgardian seems to be more concerned with forcing his edits, regardless.

At this point I think it may be time to push an admin to long term semi-protect his "protectorate" simply to force the him, or the annom if it isn't him, to actually log in and defend his actions. The protracted, gaming-the-system edit/revert wars is asinine at this point.

— J Greb 03:40, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

If I'm going to go to an admin, I'd like as solid a set of articles as possible. I'd also like a set of IPAs for an inclusive "Checkuser please" request.
I don't want the editor to cry foul when accused of WP:OWN because it's 2 or more "annoms" reverting to "his" version. I also want to have a leg to stand on for widening the semi-protections if he decides to wait it out on his faves.
— J Greb 03:58, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

The case for 211.29.188.167 being a sock puppet is reasonably good. Checking his edit history, all of the articles that IP's amended have also been updated by User:Asgardian. Having said that, Asgardian has edited a lot of Marvel articles and 211.29.188.167 has only made a handful of edits... but, as you say, they're also the same sort of changes... --Mrph 08:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Charlie Peace

If you've got a spare second, could you take a quick look at Talk:Charlie Peace? I'd appreciate a second opinion on the best route forward. The character's directly inspired by a real criminal - Charles Peace - and one of the editors who's been working on that article is contemplating merging or moving the comics article to avoid confusion. I think I've suggested something workable, but I may have missed something. Thanks! --Mrph 21:51, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Brooklyn Tech

Hi, Tenebrae, I had a look at that article, and yeah, I can see it's getting defaced by IPs. Still, I'm only seeing about one or two per day most of the time. That's generally not enough to warrant semi-protection, at least in my mind (and I'm pretty sure most other admins would agree with me). For now, it's best just to watchlist and revert. Note that in the future, it's probably better to put this sort of thing at WP:RFPP. That way you don't have to wait for me, as many admins watch that page. Heimstern Läufer 03:09, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grad school

I got into the Syracuse University S.I. Newhouse School of Public Communications and about an hour ago, I was able to get conditional admission to Ohio U. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 19:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mystic Arcana

Thanks for the vote of confidence; glad to see this English major is finally paying off. ;-) I'm a newly registered user (fan of the site for a while), so what's this WikiComics project, and how do I officially become a part of it? I'm planning a big clean-up of the Runaways, the individual member pages, then Rogue, then the main X-Men page. I know it's not much, but they're my favorite comics.

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