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Contents 1 Comments 1.1 "Neo-Tengriism"? 1.2 Contradictory etymologies 1.3 Less fantasy, more facts please

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[edit] "Neo-Tengriism"?

Are there modern movements and systems of belief that style themselves (Neo-)Tengriism, along the lines of Neo-Paganism? Just curious. :J //Big Adamsky 10:23, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

"no connection with the Sumerian word for god has been verified."

Why is this here? Whether it's true or not, it seems a bit out of context 128.189.203.114 19:27, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Maybe you can call this Neo-Tengriism: Tengerism. Burkhanism was also a tengristic movement of Altay-Turks and Oirats in the time 1904-1930. Today some nationalist Yakuts are following a new Version of Tengriism too. There call it Ayy. Actually Tengriism is not really dead. The Belief of most mongol's today is a combination between Tengriism ( mongol's call it Tengerism ) and Lamaism. The sumerian God named TINGIR, was a Sun god. Tengri/Tenger is a Sky god ( or the mighty spirit of sky ). I don't belief that Tengri had something to do with the sumerian TINGIR or with the egyptian RA ( Tangra: completly wrong stuff ! ). I am working on it.. in the german Wikipedia. de:Benutzer:Erdal/Tengrismus ---Erdal 04:30, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I think there must be some link between the Sumerians and these guys because the name of a God in religion has too much importance and is chosen for a specific reason and cannot simply be a coincidence.

Both are Tenri, historians much find the link here, currently not enough studies go into this very important area.

---Johnstevens5

[edit] Contradictory etymologies

The article gives two meanings or explanations of the origin of Tengri:

1. The name "Tengri"-(Tana-Gra) means "Ruler, Master of the Land".
2. It derives from "Tan" or "Teng" which literally means sky and "ger", which is the mongolian name for the Central Asian nomadic tent.

They cannot be both right. --Lambiam^Talk 23:03, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Tengri means Sky in old turkic language and Tenger means sky in mongolian language. But the meaning of ("holy") Tengri turned to god after a unknown time. In the latest books of historians, you can see a translation of the word Tengri like this: Sky(-god) !

And Tana-Gra or Tan-Nak-Ra is an old lie of bulgarian scientist; they tried to find a link between the old bulgars and the egyptians or thrakians, and they tried to keep the old bulgarian history non-turkic. But in real, the name of the old bulgarian god TANGRA is simply an another version of TENGRI. Look here in page 78 under Tengri (Tengeri, Tangra, Tangri). greetings ---Erdal 19:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

If no one objects, I will remove Tan-gra explanation and replace it with the other one for the origin of the word. Tengri is used in almost all altaic languages, see discussion in tenrikyo, and linking it to indo-european languages just because of pronouciation similarities isn't scientific.

[edit] Less fantasy, more facts please

Nearly all statements in this article are unsupported by either facts or citations or arguments. The interpretative material is mostly fantasy. The etymological speculations are preposterous. No philological or historical evidence is submitted. Can someone write a proper article on this (very interesting) subject? (88.224.69.38 14:16, 25 December 2006 (UTC))

I agree, for instance: "Worship of Sky Father/Father Heaven and Mother Earth is almost universal among Turks and Mongols, and is found in North America as well." I am currently living in Turkey, and I have never met a Turk who worships Sky Father/Father Heaven...I am going to delete this sentence.

194.27.149.175 09:50, 25 February 2007 (UTC)Veryshuai