Talk:Ted Nolan

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[edit] Ted Nolan and Dominik Hasek's Wife

Is it true that one of the reasons why Nolan was driven out of town in 1997 after having won the Adams trophy was because he had an affair with Dominik Hasek's wife? Is this what led to a poisonous atmosphere which entailed either Nolan or Hasek leaving? I do have some sources for this but they are of the "low brow" variety. Did the new GM give him an offer he would almost certainly reject? Thoughts? Hanes3777 23:35, March 18, 2006 (UTC)

I've only ever seen him referred to as having been "blacklisted" or "blackballed" and heard things such as "there are rumors [about him]..." (sometimes "many rumors"). Never heard any details at all. heqs 13:03, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Globe and Mail article from yesterday... [1] heqs 21:53, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Think it had more to do with Hasek just being the spoiled star of the Sabres at the time and having an "opinion" of Nolan. Muckler and Regier when pressed probably had to make a decision to keep Hasek or Nolan but not both.. It's common knowledge that Hasek told Regier ... "It's him or me" -204.50.162.34 17:35, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

No he did not have an affair with hasek's wife. Your last thoughts are correct, Hasek was just being the spoiled star of the Sabres, but it was a little deeper than that as well. Nolan is more of a dictator when it comes to his teams, he has to have a considerable amount of control. Nolan and Muckler did not see eye to eye due to that, and that's what ultimately tipped the iceberg. Its good that hes back in the NHL now, he certainly deserves it. One of the biggest reasons why it has taken Nolan this long is because he messed with one of the 'pretty boys' of hockey in John Muckler, ever since then organizations have been reluctant to hire him, and another reason which I personally beleive and think of as unfortunate that in this day and age we are still battling things like this, is the fact that he is a native indian and on a smaller scale, race had something to do with this as well. How often do you see a coach win the Jack Adams, take a team to the conference semi finals losing in a game 7 and get fired, then not get hired by any team in any capacity for 8 years. It doesn't happen. Hopefully with his hiring barriers like this can be destroyed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.56.133.146 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Nolan, Charles Wang, Neil Smith, and Larry Brooks

I hadn't noticed the many changes that the sentence in question underwent since I first put a citation tag on it. Considering that I'm not really happy with my most recent edit (and I'm not even especially happy with my prose in this case), it might be productive to actually open it up to discussion. I think it is notable that Wang hired both Nolan and Smith at the same time, so that should be mentioned in the article. There also should be some acknowledgement that it's generally not standard practice for the owner to hire the coaching staff, but it's also not usually the case that both the coach and GM positions are vacant at the same time. I don't know how many times that has happened, and I don't know how common it was for both positions to be filled at the same time by the owner or how often another arrangement was worked out. I think that criticism such as Brooks's is notable and should be covered, but it's difficult to really how to approach it. The first attempts, where the criticism was presented as authoritative and without rebuttal is obviously wrong, as there are clearly two sides to this disagreement. So, in short, I don't really know what to do. Ideas? Croctotheface 15:31, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Hasek-related material

While I appreciate the work that went in to these recent edits, I don't think that it's really appropriate to have this story be so central to the article. The article is and should be about Nolan, not a history of the off-ice issues the Sabres dealt with in 1997. Croctotheface 02:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)