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[edit] External Link Policy

I dont understand why a relevant link to a non profitn non commercial, non pornographic site listing male strippers in the united kingdom was deleted. It is a directory which I find useful. Please explain why hunkystrippers.com is not suitable for inclusion. It is unique and on topic you will see that the contact details are in directory format, not as if it is an agency or anything. Please review more closely.

Earlier today, I received a message from you about external links and see that what I added is purged. I feel that the policy is very agreeable, but the nature of the link warrants further consideration.

I run a start-up non-profit web site titled SearchLIT.org with the goal of identifying, collecting and organizing great links and information around public domain books for educators and students. A book, such as "Call of the Wild" on SearchLIT.org identifies important information such as grade level and age appropriateness, plus links to wonderful supplementary sites (including Wikipedia) and value-adding lesson plans and quizzes for teachers when appropriate. It is not a commercial site at all. I invite you to check-out SearchLIT.org's text record page for "Call of the Wild" at: http://www.SearchLIT.org/elibrary/viewnovel.php?novel_id=270

After reviewing the contents of this page, do you agree that this provides a strong complement to Wikipedia's page? If so, do you feel that adding this as an external link is suitable? If not, how can I add help Wikipedia with the information that I have collected? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Searchlit (talk • contribs) .

Thanks for the note. In general, folks who are affiliated with a website should not add links to their own site. This is primarily aimed at avoiding conflicts of interest. The best course of action, in my view, would be wait and let editors of specific pages add links to the site themselves, if they find it to be useful, relevant, adding something not found in the article text itself. It is fairly rare that a single site becomes a link in many articles; usually when this happens the site is a very extensive or complete collection (such as IMDB or Project Gutenberg). Perhaps with time (and further development of your site), editors here will recognize your site as such. However at present, my own view is that it probably should not be included in the external links section. Links to further collections of links are not usually the best way to do a links section, in my view. I know this is not the answer you're probably hoping for. Thanks, --TeaDrinker 22:45, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
This was brought to my attention as a concern and I think the issue breaks down somewhat more in Searchlit's favor. They are non-commercial and do have more information than simply links. Honestly, if the editorialized statement about "supplemental links" and "experts" had been omitted, it would not have been seen as an issue in the first instance, although you are probably right that the practice of adding the material directly needs to be reviewed with Searchlit, which I will do. Thanks for your work with Wikipedia. --Brad Patrick 05:41, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank You

Hi TeaDrinker. Thanks for the welcome and the offer to help. I've been reading through all the info and FAQs about how to edit and revert vandalism. I've been randomly clicking on "Recent Changes" and going through the "diff" links looking for obvious vandalism (obvious to me, at least). Already I’m come across something I’m uncertain how to edit. The entry for the city of “Ekron” was changed and it now includes information about a band of the same name. The IP number also changed a few other entries, two of which I believe I’ve fixed. I’m wondering what is the best way to handle this particular edit as well as what to do about the IP number. Thanks.

Doc Winston 21:31, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Great idea to look over recent changes (some folks even call it "recent changes patrol"). The Ekron page would normally be handled with a disambiguation page (see Wikipedia:Disambiguation), so a new article would be created with a title like Ekron (band). In this case, however, the band does not appear to meet criteria for creating an article (see WP:BAND), so I simply reverted the addition. I left the note {{nn-test}} on the user's talk page. Let me know if there is anything I can help with, keep up the great work, and again, welcome! --TeaDrinker 22:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for all your help with my newbie questions. I had read the RC Patrol page and I was wondering what the most popular tool(s) for RC Patrolling are? About the Ekron page... if the band had met the criteria, would it have been best for me to create the disambiguation page myself or revert the page and leave a message on the talk page of the user about what happened? Also, is this the standard form of asking/getting help - editing your talk page? Thanks Again! -Doc Winston 00:08, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


Howdy! Regarding vandal apps, some people use popups to speed their work. User:AmiDaniel also recently created an application called vandalproof, although 250 article edits are usually needed to be granted access. Although I have been here for almost a year, I have not adopted either. Partly out of lazyness and partly to try to stay focused on my goal here, editing content. I do, however, keep a bunch of pages on my watchlist and check changes on them. I also use templates to warn users on their talk page, usually {{test1}} through {{test4}}, sometimes {{vw}} and {{bv}} or {{test4im}}. Generally, if someone continues to vandalize after four warnings, I'd put a note on WP:AIV.
As far as places to ask for help, the quickest is usually putting {{helpme}} on your page (in my experience, most are responded to in a few minutes). Alternatively, writing a note on someone's talk page works, but they may not be at their computer (in fact I would have been faster but for being in a meeting for an hour). General questions can go to Wikipedia:Questions. If the question is about a specific article, you can put it on the article talk page, although low traffic articles may not garnder a quick reply. Most users are pretty friendly, and admins (see Wikipedia:List of admins) are usually happy to help. Putting a question on your own talk page is often pretty slow to generate a response (although may with enough time).
For the band and disambiguation, I would, had the band been notable, created the page and added {{Otheruses4|city|band|Ekron (band)}} (which is Template:Otheruses4) to the top of the article (since there is only one such page, I would probably not bother with a disambiguation page). If there were more than one page needing a link, go ahead and create the disambiguation page. The the most important thing, be bold. Everything is reversible (usually with a few keystrokes) so do your best and don't worry too much about making mistakes.
Let me know if you have more questions, and keep up the great work! --TeaDrinker 00:46, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Again, thank you! Great help all around. -Doc Winston 18:41, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
No problem, let me know if there is anything else I can help with. --TeaDrinker 19:23, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Okay then...one more... I reverted a two word vandal done to Competitive eating. I then checked on 24.88.94.168 who made the change and sure enough that IP has vandalized a few pages. Most of them have been fixed. The Jim Croce page had been edited by this IP three times. It was not an "obvious" vandal so the text has not been removed. The user added a sentence that could clearly be plausible but I believe to be false. My reason for this is that all the other edits this IP made are either false or silly. What do you think the best way to handle this is? Thanks! -Doc Winston 00:27, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
You might want to move the questionable text to the talk page (that is revert it, then discuss the change on the talk page, maybe even provide a link to the diff from history, see below). Alternatively, you could add {{fact}} following the addition, although I would probably go with the first method.
To provide a diff link, go to the history and select the difference between your version and the previous version. Then cut and paste the whole url in brackets, as you would do for an external link. This gives the reader of your comment context to judge the legitimacy of the addition. Hope this helps, --TeaDrinker 00:36, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image cleanup

Big job. Good work. Jkelly 03:57, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks... Although it is really just work that begat more work, since now it has to be reviewed and deleted as needed. An unenviable task to be sure. --TeaDrinker 09:15, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Thanks for the editing of my User page!!! Sparsefarce 20:16, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Happy to help. --TeaDrinker 20:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


Thanks, man. I guess I got too angry. I mean, he made me look like I was an idiot. --Emile Hsu 8:15, 16 August 2006

[edit] 63.23.13.114

I see you've been cleaning up after this so-far vandal-only account. Well done. Please let me know if there's any more trouble and I'll block it. Tyrenius 20:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Happy to help. I'll let you know if I notice anything more. --TeaDrinker 20:55, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Curious sequence on User talk:Mundo89. I've added the unsigned tags. Tyrenius 20:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

☻ Someone has poured you tea ☺

[edit] Hello

Thank you. You can get rid of this now.

[edit] Welcome Member

Hi, thank you for joining WikiProject Shark! As a member you can now help us out by completing the to do list. Please encourage other users to join as we cant help our articles get better without help. You can add the following template as proof as a member. {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Shark/Userbox2}}

Once again, thanks for joining!

Lenny Lenny 11:04, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes I guess all articles red link or not should be listed. When I find the list of missing shark species I will add them, thanks for the tip! Lenny 11:04, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
You have made me make my mind up and I have called of the merge, sorry. Lenny 11:24, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project Sharks

Welcome - hopefully the two project thing will get sorted out shortly (or I may have to start a third one!). Yomanganitalk 11:45, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi and welcome, I did not want to write and tell you about 'the' other project since it migth have been see as a hostile act, anyway, very welcome and please contribute in whatever way as you see fit, any help is very welcome. Please update project page with new ideas on what to do and how to make the project a success. and spread the word to other users that might be interested. As you might have seen I'm busy moving house so can not contribut so much the next few weeks, and Yomangani I hope that is a joke, it looks like oceanic whitetipped will get promoted to FA soon! very good work!!!! :-) Stefan 00:21, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Links policy

hello, you deleted my external links recently but I have seen other sites having their external links similarly to what I did and how comes their's is not deleted? I appriciate Wikipedia's policy on linking websites but it isn't fair if one person can do it and others can't! can you explain please? Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.17.167.32 (talk • contribs) .

Thanks for the note. A guideline on external links can be found at Wikipedia:External links. My main concern is that the links you're adding seem to be geared toward selling books or other products. In general, links to bookstores should not be included in Wikipedia, see links to be avoided number 4 and number 8. You are quite correct that such links do accumulate in articles; there are too few people removing them. I will look over the links in the articles I removed your link from (I was only checking new links added, not reviewing all links). Feel free to contact me again if you have any questions or I can be of any help. Thanks again for the work on Wikipedia. --TeaDrinker 23:14, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suma Ching Hai

Stop attacking a real Buddha. You are anti-Buddha. Stop worshipping demons. Sumachinghaidisciple 04:25, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Heh, I got the same.Blnguyen | rant-line 07:14, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Maybe it was a vote in the religion survey. I try to get condemed to hell at least once a year (it is good and cathartic), but being called a demon worshipper is new. --TeaDrinker 07:31, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit summary

Regarding this edit summary - I want to give you a barnstar purely for saying 'what the devil'. Say it more often, please. Phrases like that need more exposure. HawkerTyphoon 01:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

*Grin* Thanks! --TeaDrinker 01:32, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Manatee

Why do you keep reverting my edits on Manatee? On the Manatee Meat deletion discussion page, I was allowed to keep a section on Hunting Manatees. --Adam Wang 21:09, 23 August 2006 (UTC) Sorry pressed minor edit by accident. Don't know if you'll get the big "You have Messages Thing..." Yea...

Thanks for the note. I was concerned that it seemed to be plagiarized from [1], and not written with an encyclopedic tone. I think we can improve it for addition to the article. Thanks, --TeaDrinker 21:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Plagerized! I wouldn't dare. Thanks a lot. :) --Adam Wang 21:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AFD

Have a look here - I'd apprecciate your vote either way :-) HawkerTyphoon 02:43, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Child pornography section blanking vandalism

Please do not remove content from Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Qwasty 03:50, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

For reference, material was removed as original research, Qwasty (talk • contribs) reported to 3RR. --TeaDrinker 04:17, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tithe Oppression

This is quite new to me. I did not imagine that the work would be refused for being an original. I have been researching the subject of tithing for many years now. This little piece on the Hebrew word "ma'ashaqqah" is probably the least offensive to your rules for 'no original work'. Sounds though like saying, 'if you no one has journeyed to the south pole before then no one should go unless they take someone who has been there before'. Going into the basic building block of words that comprise the Old Testament is getting a little close to the devine mind. That may be too much for secular academics such as those who are the gate keepers of Wikipedia. There is a debate on the tithe doctrine that is onging right now. Has been and will be for some time. This affects millions of Christians who hear on a regular basis that they should give ten percent of their income to the church. You might say that this country was formed by persons fleeing the oppression of state runned churches that wanted their tithes. I do not think myself to be of the sort that you need protection from. Can you judge the merits of the article on its merits alone. Would love to hear from Hebrew scholars on this point. There at least eleven other Hebrew words that are translated oppressions, oppressed, oppress, and oppressor. None of these words have the tithe prefix. This has captivated my imagination. Do you think any of your readers would find it intersting and informative as well? I read some of the other articles submitted under tithing. Looks like the line from Casablanca is appropriate to describe these works. "Gather the usual suspects." Lexaboy 20:58, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

It is really less a matter of the merits of the material, and more of where it should be published. A better place to garder critical discussion of your work would be a journal of theological thought. Wikipedia reports on ideas, new and old, once they are published in reliable sources. --TeaDrinker 21:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for watching out for the integrity of my page. --Nlu (talk) 05:54, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Happy to help! --TeaDrinker 19:54, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Animals with ability to swim

I won't be limiting the category to marine mammals, I and many others will include other mammals, birds, reptiles, fish, amphibians, invertibrates, etc. I created the category because I read the article Ability to swim, which only listed a few animals with the ability. An article with a list of animals with this ability would be a waste of kilobytes, so why not a category? So far I have included Cat (it has the ability, but is quite poor at it) and Dog (obvious) as land animals, evidence there is no limitation. I think the category would be very large and successful, however there is also a chance that some may find it unnecessary and would probably delete it before it becomes popular as a result. Thanks for your humourous comment!Movingimage 18:02, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] welcome variation

I like your proposed welcome template - it is much less confrontational than the "welcomepov" one, and seems appropriate for situations like I encountered.

Thank you also for the information on welcome templates - it's not something I had come across before. Lyrl Talk Contribs 23:15, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I went ahead and created it at Template:welcomespam. Hopefully it can be shaped into something useful. --TeaDrinker 23:31, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thankyou

Thanks for the welcome! Old TI-89 01:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks Again!

Thanks for help with the school artical. I still need to list the sources, although most of the info is on the website. I will be taking some pictures of the school to add, and I still need to verify the year it was built. Anyhow, I think it is coming along nicley, and your help was appricated. Old TI-89 01:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. Hope to work with you again in the future. Old TI-89 01:18, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Drive by igloo graffiti among innocent Eskimos.

Upon my reverting the vandalism on the Inuit page, I didn't expect anyone to take notice of my correcting it or more so any recognition for the effort. So it was a surprise to get your comment. So, thanks; it makes me feel a stronger sense that there is a "wiki-community". As you can see, I've taken your suggestion and registered. (Since I normally spend hours on end reading Wikipedia during any given day, it's probably about time.)

I would have fixed the vandalism sooner had I known that I could do it without being a registered user. Instead I spent ten minutes trying to find a page about reporting vandalism before giving up and seeing if I could edit myself. [Kind of a moot point now. ;)] Although, I must say the whole reverting process seamed very counter intuitive to me at first (as does this "user talk" feature).

Tonurics

Thanks again for the work! There is some useful discussion of fighting vandalism at WP:VAND. I went ahead and warned the user who vandalized the Inuit page with {{bv}}. Most of the time, however, I use {{test1}} through {{test4}}. The the vandal continues, I add them to the list at administrator interventions against vandalism. Some other handy templates, {{vw}} - a vandalism warning which is more seriously worded than test1, and {{bv}} - blatent vandalism. There is a list of templates at WP:UTM (and a larger list of templates for all kinds of purposes at WP:TM). Let me know if you have any questions or if I can help with anything, and again, welcome! --TeaDrinker 21:48, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks from someone who knows just enough to be dangerous

Thanks for catching my goof on the footnotes. I was halfway to figuring out the right syntax when you stepped in... you saved me some time and experimentation. I should have used the sandbox instead of the actual article, but I thought I had it. Got it now. Actually a pretty cool system, although someone with a command of "speak english, not tech" needs to write the help file on how to do this -- reading the existing help (and the link you provided for help on cite.php) made my head hurt and left me clueless as to exact syntax. Actual samples work best for most people in help files. Rather than try to figure out what the help files were saying, it was easier for me to simply look at the syntax you fixed up for my clumsy attempt and use it as a template for my additional footnotes. It's great to see people monitoring article changes this closely (and being helpful about goofs like mine instead of flaming me with a "hey, stupid" type of message). Thanks again. I do have an account... fairly new... but wasn't at my regular computer and couldn't remember my password. Doh.

Happy to help; sorry that I interupted the learning process. The ref element is frustrating since Wikipedia tries to get folks to cite their sources, but makes it difficult to impossible for a new user to learn how (honestly, it is probably the most obscure and arcane help file I have come accross). Anyhow, keep up the good work! --TeaDrinker 20:07, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Cory Doctorow 2005j.jpg

Image:Cory Doctorow 2005j.jpg was actually an image of Drew Carey from http://edition.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/9804/01/drew.carey/. That made me laugh... Doctorow and Carey do look very much alike. ~MDD4696 02:53, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Well spotted! I did think there was something fishy about the photo... Thanks for the update. --TeaDrinker 20:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Intuition (Gut Feeling)

The intuition I'm referring to is not mathematical "knowledge", but rather a spontaneous nudge / push / urge that shows up in our throughts, directing our actions (if we follow it) in preparation for an unknown future* event. The intuition I've experienced doesn't make you privy to the future event, rather it tells you what to do immediately, without any indication of why. It is only in retrospect that the why becomes apparent.

I'd be happy to send you one of my papers on Intuition so you have a clearer idea of how it differs from knowledge. Then maybe you can help me craft a better Intuition section that deals with 'gut feelings'. I'm not on Wikipedia often, so please understand it might take me a while to respond. I've added an email to my profile in hopes it will help me to stay connected to activities here.

  • I use future in a Newtonian kind of way, understanding that time is not linear.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by JustCurious (talk • contribs) .

Howdy and thanks for the note. I have gone ahead and left a note with the admin who actually deleted the page (User:Kungfuadam), requesting it be restored for further discussion. Unfortunately, s/he is on vacation at present, so it may be a week or so before anything actually occurs (if you think a faster response is needed, we can get another admin to do it, but I didn't see a time critical element). I still am not clear on the distinction; but I am well outside my own training (some undergrad work in Human Behavioral Ecology). What we can do, provided the page is restored, is to get a more full discussion of deletion or merger with Intuition (knowledge). A reasonable method is to propose the page for a deletion discussion (called article for deletion), which is a seven day discussion. That might be the most fruitful.
In the mean time, if the page is based primarily in your own work (particualrly if the material is not published in peer reviewed journals), you may want to check out the policy on original research. That may come up in a dicussion. Feel free to contact me if I can help with anything else. Thanks for the work on Wikipedia! --TeaDrinker 20:59, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User Page Vandalism

TeaDrinker, I just wished to inform you that I, while on Recent Changes Patrol, I recently reverted vandalism caused by 207.81.122.3 (talk • contribs • count) to your userpage. I hope you are not offended by me editing your userpage.-- danntm T C 21:20, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the hard work, I left a reply on your talk page. --TeaDrinker 21:26, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Snowballs again...

Seams like I have become the unlikely defender of the Inuit page; or at least I am always there at the wrong time (or right time depending on your perspective). What is ironic, is the fact that in both cases I wasn't looking for any information on Eskimos.

I have not figured out how to warn people (nor do I know it is my place to) so if you don't mind, I will leave that task to you...

Was there a Daily Show joke about Eskimos lately that I missed?

Tonurics 17:27, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the work! To warn a vandal, put the text {{subst:test1}} --~~~~ on the user's talk page. The "test1" can be replaced depending on what message is appropriate. Leaving {{subst:test2}} --~~~~ will leave the test 2 message, etc. Here are some of the commonly used templates in warning vandals
It can sometimes be a bit tricky to sort out who to warn. A good idea is to look at the history of the page. In the case of the Inuit article, (see history) User:CambridgeBayWeather was also working on reverting vandalism, but did not initially find the right edit to revert to.
If the vandal has recieved four recent warnings, and continues, report the vandal at WP:AIV.
As far as the frequency of vandalism goes, we like to say most vandalism is reverted in five minutes or less, although it has not been recently studied. There were, it looks like, two other intances of vandalism on the article today. This might be a bit above average for the article, but it is not exceptionally high. There are many instances of vandalism every hour (you can actually check recent changes and probably find one or two in a few minutes). Fortunately, the effort to vandalize is usually less than the effort to revert, so we have that in our favor.
Thanks again, and let me know if I can help with anyting. --TeaDrinker 17:55, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Pardon the question. But is it really appropriate for a regular user (such as myself) to issue warnings to other users? I had assumed that someone would need to be a moderator of some sort of official capacity (to put some weight behind the warnings). If not I must say that I am surprised the system works so well and without more “user on user” retaliation edits. At any rate, thanks for the info and templates. --Tonurics 18:15, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
No problem at all. Most warnings are given by ordinary users (admins can give them too of course, and are the only ones who properly give {{test5}} and issue blocks. I have no special status here (other than many edits, I suppose). I think in the almost one year that I have been editing, I have twice recieved a warning from an editor for something which was not vandalism. In fact, if you see this, I was (in my view) improperly warned by someone in a content dispute (at the time he was trying to add an "examples" section to the child porn page; I and a number of other editors were reverting the changes). So it does happen, but rarely in my experience. There is more information on warnings and such at WP:VAND. Thanks again, let me know if I can help with anything else, and keep up to good work! --TeaDrinker 18:28, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Wow, thank you for the barnstar! It means alot to me. Lyrl Talk Contribs 00:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

You're certainly welcome, it is well deserved and a bit overdue. --TeaDrinker 00:04, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] thanks for message

hi, i'm confused about "unintentional blanking?" in the edit summary and the talk page i have laid out reasons for deleting that sentence: 1)a whole paragraph addresses the difference between contraception/abortion and the controversies therein, it doesn't need to be also mentioned in first paragraph (esp. as it is too complicated to do justice to in one sentence summary) 2) as someone else has already pointed out on the EC talkpage, mifepristone is an EC drug and a chemical abortion drug, hence there are similarities, even at different dosages. (that's really my interest--i pay attention to pharmacology of drugs. mifepristone and levororgestrel are very different drugs, as well.). so to say "they are not to be confused" when one of the drugs is exactly the same is inacurate. i don't think that the abortifacient/contraception controversy should eclipse all else--that sentence is clearly only referring to that controversy, as if no other facts existed...(for miferpistone in EC, the side effects and risks are not so different from side effects and risks for chemical abortion. i don't think the opening paragraph is the place to make that point--but i don't think the opposite should be implied as a byproduct of focusing exclusively on the abortion/contraception controversy. in any case, i know you are a thoughtful and diligent editor, and perhaps you didn't see the talkpage discussion before you automatically reverted, and would like to discuss this further there? all best, Cindery 17:45, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. here is the diff from my revert. I assumed you were editing in Firefox tabs or something similar, since the last few sections disappeared with your edit (something that happens accidentally with certain browsers). I didn't think you had intended to deleted, for instance, the language links or references section. Was this actually your intent? I probably should have been clearer with my message... Thanks, --TeaDrinker 17:53, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

oh, dear--no, i only meant to change one sentence. i *am* having browser problems--blanking links/refs was not only unintentional, but didn't even show up on my screen... Cindery 17:59, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

No problem, I've been having a morning like that too. Cheers, --TeaDrinker 18:05, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lenin's Mausoleum

Why you are delete link on http://www.vilenin.info/? http://www.vilenin.info/ have voting about carrying out of a body of Lenin from the Mausoleum, except for that a site contains more than 586 comments of high quality with various estimations about Lenin's activity and the Mausoleum. With respect, 82.208.127.167 19:48, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I removed it per the guideline on external links. A vote, particularly one is Russian, did not seem to provide information which was relevant to the article above and beyond what is available elsewhere. Thanks, --TeaDrinker 20:17, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I think, that the site provide information which was relevant to the article above and beyond what is not available elsewhere. In the near future, I shall make English version of a site. Whether your position can change in this case? With respect, Aleksandr 82.208.121.130 22:13, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I'm not sure that a poll is really ever needed as a reference. I would certainly look over it more carefully in English, but I hav trouble seeing the encyclopedic value. Thanks, --TeaDrinker 16:31, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Spam0

You wrote:

Howdy, I noticed you created the template {{spam0}}. We were probably thinking along the same lines; I created Template:Welcomespam a few days ago, but had not yet added it to the table. Do you think I should make it a redirect to spam0, merge the two in some way? Thanks (great minds as they say...) --TeaDrinker 19:10, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Cool! I actually had created the template a while ago because I felt that some users who added links in good faith would be less likely to return and vandalize Wikipedia if they weren't attacked immediately. I left it in my user space until today, I needed to make the page name optional so I decided to finish it off and put it in the Template space. I originally created it as {{spam-agf}} but then checked the index of test templates and realized that it asks editors to use the "0" convention for "assume good faith" warnings. So I moved it to {{spam0}} and am working on it there. In answer to your question, I think it would be a good idea to redirect {{welcomespam}} to spam0 but feel free to merge the content or edit it in whatever way you want! Thanks for checking. -- Renesis13 19:18, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

On second thought, I should have checked what your template looked like before I made my suggestion above! Since yours is a welcome template, I think {{welcomespam}} is perfect. I would just add it to the welcome table at Wikipedia:Welcome template table so people can start using it! Also, go ahead and add it to the {{spam-nav}} template so it will show up on the other spam template pages as well. Good work! -- Renesis13 19:37, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the note, I have added it to the table and templates. Keep up the great work! --TeaDrinker 02:11, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "yes do your homework--don't vandalize"

Image:Hand with thumbs up.jpg Thumbs up!
...for making me laugh tonight! Good to know that there are more humans patrolling recent changes. Regards.--Húsönd 03:28, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! A little levity for good cheer. --TeaDrinker 03:51, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Query from a Newcomer

Teadrinker, thanks for your Welcome note. I'm leaving this message because I'd like some help regarding a Wikipedia page that is about me. It is marked as inactive and archival now, but still visible to anyone who does a Google search, and it contains some easily corrected errors. I did not create the page; this is my first time logging in to Wikipedia. Several people have noticed the page and called my attention to it. If it's going to remain visible to the world at large, I'd like to fix it, or provide the info to get it fixed. The title of the page is "Jay Lemke". I am a minor academic celebrity, listed in a few biographical reference works, and at least one of my books is fairly famous and translated into Spanish. I'm also known for work in several fields, including the relatively rare one of "social semiotics", which I know people often do go looking for information on. Whether I belong in Wikipedia or not, I can't say, but maybe you can help me figure out what to do? I will set my preferences to allow email to me, if you have a chance to reply. Thanks WikiJayL 20:02, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. For the most part, Wikipedia frowns on (but does not forbid) editing your own bio (see WP:AUTO). I am happy, however, to work with you in improving it. I'll contact you via email and see what can be done. Thanks, --TeaDrinker 20:09, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reversal on Barrett article

  • Teadrinker. Please stop reversing my edits without even taking the time to check the facts. This is a guerilla attitude and eminently biased. Please provide valid reasons. NATTO 23:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the note. I realize, rereading my message, that I was unclear. I started a discussion on the talk page, here specifically to discuss the changes you made. I was trying to encourage you to contribute to that discussion, but realize now I did not include a link to it. Sorry for the confusion. Thanks, --TeaDrinker 23:43, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Teadrinker. If that is the way you encourage Wiki editors to discuss issues you really need to work on it. You just drop in from nowhere and start bulk reversing and then claim you want to encourage discussion.... You can well report the 3RR with that sort of behaviour NATTO 23:56, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps I was unclear. I reverted to the prior version because I thought the edits you were making were not neutral point of view. I did not, however, want to do so without discussion. As such, I wrote my reasons for the revert on the talk page. I did not, of course, revert simply to encourage discussion. The purpose of my message was to let you know that (a) I had made the change and (b) there was a talk page discussion about the edits. My link to WP:3RR is simply cursory, in case you had not seen the rule before. I will, of course, abide by it. Thanks again for the work, --TeaDrinker 00:03, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Teadrinker. No your answer is clear. It is the way you handled it that I question. You have done wholesale reversals of edits including the ones which were done for technical reasons or to bring more balance to the item. Ex: Barrett has been accused by Tim Bolen (who, in his own words, is "hired by clients to deal with their public relations component of when they may be attacked by medical board or similar entity." [14]) of bias, and being part of a conspiracy to suppress innovative forms of treatment. [15] AND Tim Bolen himself has no educational qualifications beyond High School and, in his words, is "hired by clients to deal with their public relations component of when they may be attacked by medical board or similar entity." If you had done selective reversal that would habe been appropriate but that is not waht you have done. NATTO 00:26, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I can appreciate how this seems to be difficult, since you put so much time into making the edits. It is generally fairly difficult to selectively revert changes (what I was doing was restoring an earlier version of the article, then editing it to keep some of your changes). You make a valid point about Bolen, however removing reasons why he may not be a reputable source probably should still be in the section, in my view. I still think we can come up with a good solution on the talk page. Thanks again for the note. --TeaDrinker 00:36, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Teadrinker. The above example is just one. I appreciate your point of view however if there was an identical item critical of Barrett placed twice in the same article, you would likely say it is redundant... Thank you for acknowleding that it takes time to do edits. Of course if you had taken the time to do it the same way instead of simply choosing to bulk reverse than we would not be having this discussion. By the way I have also posted a reply on the talk page of the article. NATTO 00:43, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply on the talk page; I saw it and am presently replying. --TeaDrinker 00:48, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Teadrinker. I have replied to your posting and waiting for a reply. I have also posted one on the sale of books and request for donation on Quackwatch. You wanted a discussion so lets hear what you have to say. NATTO 01:44, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CP "examples" section revert-o-rama

Exactly the same thing is happening at the CP article as when you first got involved - complete with accusations of "vandalism." Is there a next step? DanB†DanD 20:15, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I think the first step should be a request for comment about the article. Another option is informal mediation; check out resolving disputes and we can figure out the best approach. Thanks, --TeaDrinker 20:40, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for moving that over. Incidentally, why aren't you an admin? JoshuaZ 01:24, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Aww shucks... Thanks! I really appreciate the kind words, but I think I probably should focus on my thesis for the time being. Happy to help move messages, however. --TeaDrinker 01:28, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indigo child

I have an indigo aura. The picture belongs in "indigo children". If you have a probelem then write me at email redacted and tell me what it is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mycats (talk • contribs) .

I have discussed on the talk page of the article. --TeaDrinker 01:39, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "not edited since warning"

You may have not noticed the 2 warnings I gave him when he first started reverting (furthermore, Mycats started reverting right when I warned an IP address that it had a 3RR issue). JoshuaZ 02:07, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Smacks head* You are of course quite right, I stand corrected. Must be too many hours in front of the computer. --TeaDrinker 02:10, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for joining the Marine life WikiProject

Thanks for adding your name - this project is a little quiet at the moment, i found it a while ago along with the portal and decided it needed some work. This obviously covers a lot of other project including the sharks one so it shouldnt be too hard to build up. chris_huh 12:15, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Thanks for the welcome

Hey, just wanted to thank you for the welcome message on my talk page. Its nice to be welcomed and thanked for my first try at wiki topics X02 02:20, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help!

This user, User:Abu badali, keeps on trying to delete fair use images that I've uploaded, especially Image:Allison Mack1.jpg and Image:Kristinkreuk1.jpg. I have gotten permission from the websites owners to use these images, and I have written a detailed fair use rationale for both of them, and they both have the fair use tag on them. Even after a lengthy discussion, he still will not accept that they are fair use and he keeps trying to delete them! Loooking at his talk page and his contributions, he seems to think that he is the highest authority on all things "fair use", but he obviously is not. Can you please help me, or get some other administrators to help me, convince him that they are in fact fair use images and should not be deleted? It would be greatly appreciated, and he must be stopped before he lists every single fair use image for deletion. Than you. - Ivan Kricancic 03:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

The images for deletion process is the best way I am aware of to attract knowedgable contributors that I know of. The concern that the images may not be fair use seems to be a valid one, if subtle. If you are having trouble navigating Wikipedia policy, you may want to check out Wikipedia:Association of Members' Advocates. It may, however, be that lacking indication that the photos were released as publicity photos (as opposed to images from a magazine shoot done for advertising, or something similar), the images do violate policy and should deleted. I don't know the details of policy well enough to say one way or the other. Thanks for the note; I will try to keep an eye on the page, but feel free to contact me again if there is something I can do. --TeaDrinker 01:48, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks

Hey TeaDrinker, thank you for supporting my recent RfA. It finished with an amazing final tally of 160/4/1. I really appreciate your support. Cheers, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 11:04, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:welcomespam

Thanks for finding and fixing my mistake on Template:welcomespam! I was actually trying to use the template, but accidently edited it by mistake :) --Bill.matthews 00:37, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

No problem, glad to have you around! --TeaDrinker 01:49, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion

I see that now. It was just an unformatted redirect with a speedy tag already hanging off of it. Thanks for the heads-up. - Lucky 6.9 02:22, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for checking into it, keep up the good work! --TeaDrinker 02:26, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Glad to do it. I appreciate the praise! - Lucky 6.9 02:27, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal to merge Stephen Barrett, Quackwatch, and NCAHF article

I have started three separate proposals to merge these three articles. The discussion for each amalgamiton of the merge begins here. I would appreciate you taking the time to give your thoughts for each proposal. Thanks. Levine2112 00:44, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of Non Commerical link

Sorry, I haven't got the hang of this system.

I posted a link to a non commercial directory, which has been removed. If you look into the site you will see that it is a free directory which contains no commercial contact numbers, but instead gives direct contact of individual strippers. This is one of the most valuable resources in the UK stripping industry and is run by volenteers. A site which a lot of people find useful.

Can you please reevaluate this link "hunkystrippers.com" as it really is non pornographic, non commercial and provides a stripper message board that does a lot of good for charity.

Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jacksp (talk • contribs) .

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I have seen the discussion on the talk page of the article. My main concern stems from external links guideline and what wikipedia is not, in particular, I don't see a connection between the content of the site and the article. The site seems to be largely advertising of strippers rather than informational content. Thanks for contacting me, and feel free to participate in the discussion on Talk:Striptease. --TeaDrinker 19:54, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SoundPound500000 (CameronWayne's presant Username)

TeaDrinker how ya been just whanted to say hi and tell you that the Beauty (Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo) article has been improved and I'm puting cleanup dates on some of my articles and thanks for the advice.

[edit] Thanks for the welcome

Thanks for the welcome and for fixing my broken redirect. You people are fast! --Mdresser 20:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Happy to help, the Wiki wiki way. --TeaDrinker 20:02, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Australian Ranger Federation and International Ranger Federation

Thanks for the welcome, I have just done some work on the Australian Ranger Federation (linked from the International Ranger Federation). In retro I should have named the page "Australian Ranger Federation" Am I able to change the page name? or does it have to be deleted and recreated? Would appreciate if you have a quick skim and advise if I have do correctly so far/ Geoffwin 08:54, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Howdy, thanks for the note. I have gone ahead and moved the Australian Ranger Federation page. To move a page, click on the "move" tab at the top of the screen (for more information, see Help:Moving a page). It will automatically create a redirect at the old page (if you want to create a redirect page manually, just type #REDIRECT [[new page title]]). It looks like a great page, thanks for the hard work. By all means, let me know if you have any other questions of if I can clarify the answer here. Thanks and again, welcome! --TeaDrinker 18:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for reverting vandalism to my user page. --Scott Davis Talk 04:50, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Happy to help. --TeaDrinker 04:50, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for reverting vandalism to mine as well. :-) Best regards.--Húsönd 03:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the welcome. :) Much appreciated. --Faerielight 03:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Q-Q plot

Hi. I've been using Wikipedia a while, it's great. Now, for the first time, I have some major edits to suggest. But it's a very complex edit of the page on quantile-quanntile plots. This page is incomplete. I left a note on the discussion page of that entry. Tea Drinker, since you're also interested in statistics, perhaps you can edit it, or suggest what to do? My first edit, and it involves math formulas, graphics, and so on! Plf515 02:01, 23 November 2006 (UTC)plf515

Happy to help! In fact, I was the one who created the plots for the Q-Q plot article. I am a bit confused by your note on the talk page, but will bring it up there. Thanks and again, welcome to Wikipedia! --TeaDrinker 02:04, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! What a friendly place (even if intimidating to people like me who are not too Web/HTML/Wiki savvy. I've put more notes in the talk page on the relevant article Plf515 02:20, 23 November 2006 (UTC)plf515

[edit] Re: Your recent reversion of the time travel article and subsequent posting on the page of this IP address

Oh come on, it was funny and you know it was. It's just a shame someone like you reverted it and didn't wait for the uber-time-travel nerd-protection squad to swoop in in their TARDII—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.146.14.99 (talk • contribs) .

I'm afraid I don't have much patience for jokes on Wikipedia pages. There are hundreds of such attempts every hour, each one convinced their joke is funny so just this once can't we lighten up and leave it in. It gets really old. --TeaDrinker 22:23, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Palestine

Palestine is not a country, it is only a land inhabited by refugees of surrounding nations. Your deletions were unnecessary, and incorrect. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.185.183.154 (talk • contribs) .

Your edit does not appear to be a constructive attempt to improve the article. I feel the removal of the repeated and incorrectly capitalized phrase "LONG LIVE ISRAEL," which you inserted in several places into the article, is entirely warranted. Specifically, it is vandalism, or at the very least not neutral point of view. Your argument about palestinian country-hood is a non sequiter, since it is unrelated to your edit.
If there is something specific about the nation-hood, country-hood or state-hood of palestin, in the article you find to be incorrect, I suggest you discuss it on the talk page of the article, Talk:Palestine, since it is likely to be controversial. Thanks, --TeaDrinker 02:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
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