Talk:Tea culture

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[edit] Requested merge of Tea#Tea_culture section to Tea Culture

[edit] Vote

  • Support. LuiKhuntek 19:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. --Iateasquirrel 23:39, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose. In fact removal of section to separate article is requested (Tea culture is a very bad stub). I would reconsider if I see meaningful summary intended for Tea. --Wikimol 18:14, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. A short summary should be left in the Tea#Culture section and all the contents moved into Tea culture. Currently, the section is too long and the standalone is just a stub. Need to reverse the two. 67.117.82.1 23:29, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. - MPF 00:20, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Support - Canadianshoper 18:37, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discuss

The "Tea" article is too long and the tea culture section can easily be moved to "Tea Culture" without a critical loss to the main article. LuiKhuntek 19:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Completely agree, its clumsy because Tea culture needs to be summarised on the Tea pages but has no place there! Too long! --Iateasquirrel 23:40, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually I agree with Wikimol, there needs to be a new article(s), but people generally agree that it needs to be moved from Tea? Feedback. --Iateasquirrel 19:40, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] British tea drinking

[edit] Ranking

Second place in the World? German Wikipedia places GB at 7th, but I don't know the source.

International liegt Großbritannien nur auf Platz 7 im Pro-Kopf-Verbrauch. Mit 3,2 Kilogramm pro Kopf und Jahr trinken die Iren mehr Tee als irgendein anderes Volk in Europa. Den höchsten Pro-Kopf-Verbrauch in Deutschland hat Ostfriesland mit stolzen 2,5 kg pro Jahr, gegenüber rund 250 g für ganz Deutschland. Das Teemuseum im ostfriesischen Norden (Niedersachsen) trägt diesem Rekord Rechnung.

Den größten Teeverbrauch pro Kopf auf der ganzen Welt hat allerdings Paraguay. Der durchschnittliche Bewohner von Paraguay hatte 1998 einen Verbrauch von 11,7 kg (Mate)-Tee pro Jahr, was 14,6 Tassen pro Bewohner und Tag entspricht.AlmostReadytoFly 13:53, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Now Turkey has been listed as the highest consumer. Does anyone have a source?AlmostReadytoFly 13:05, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

There are few places i have found to indicate Turkey's consumption levels

http://www.fao.org/docrep/meeting/009/j5278e.htm states: " Turkey has one of the highest per capita consumption levels in the world. After a decline to 2.01 kg in 2000, from its highest level of 2.97 kg in 1999, per capita consumption has steadily increased to reach a level of 2.38 kg in 2003. This is two to five times the level of other major consuming countries, with the exception of the United Kingdom" and "Turkey is the sixth largest producer of tea in the world, with an output peaking at 199 000 tonnes in 1999, but it declined to 155 000 tonnes in 2003. The Government provides a price subsidy to producers to maintain income levels. The subsidy is in the form of a minimum fixed price of TRL3 460 000 (US$ 0.31) per kg plus an incentive Government payment of TRL 65 000 per kg. Turkey is also an important consumer, ranking fifth globally"

Another web site http://www.euromonitor.com/Turkey_Second_biggest_tea_market_in_the_world "India tops the world raking in terms of tea consumption with about 300,000 tonnes in 2004, and Russia ranked third place with about 171,000 tonnes. However, in terms of tea consumption levels, Turkey has the highest per capita consumption at 2.5 kg, followed by the UK (2.1 kg) and Morocco (1.4 kg). All these figures represent consumption of packaged and branded tea sales."

I'm getting the impression that there are a lot of contradictory sources out there. One option would be to create a section on 'top tea-drinking countries' and hash it all out there, but I don't feel that that is terribly relevant to the 'culture' this article is supposed to be discussing. The important bit in relation to culture is that tea drinking is common - so rather than haggling over specific rankings, I propose any of these countries makes a more general statement about having 'one of the top per-capta consumtion in the world'.--Spyforthemoon 15:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


According to the Global Market Information Database, published by Euromonitor, Britain is 1st with 2.3kg per person per annum consumption. JDnCoke 22:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Etiquette

  • As far as British Tea etiquette is concerned this article does not give a complete well sourced picture of proper etiquette.--SAS87 16:36, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
What do you feel is missing? (NB: subsection created.) AlmostReadytoFly 01:21, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
If Japanese Tea Ceremony is a separate artcle the I propose that 'Afternoon Tea' has a separate article to itself, outlining the ritual of Afternoon Tea in its original Victorian context, its social significance and more detailed rules of etiquette.--SAS87 21:01, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
If just noticed that an article Tea (meal) does exist. I'll try to put in a link to this. AlmostReadytoFly 11:28, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "pinkie"

The often-parodied aristocratic etiquette of crooking the pinkie finger of the hand holding a tiny cup handle, so as to avoid the "coarseness" of waving it around pointing at all and sundry, is now pretty much a thing of the past.

I've moved this here for a couple of reasons:

  • It should probably refer to the "little finger", as "pinkie" is an Americanism
  • I'd like to see a reliable source on this matter, as I've also heard the custom described as
  • Sticking the little finger out indicates a "posh" tea-drinker
  • Sticking the little finger out is a discreet way of indicating that the drinker is a soliciting prostitute, and to mimic this indicates an unaware "common" tea-drinker

AlmostReadytoFly 20:22, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

  • I disagree that 'little finger' should be referred to a 'pinkie'; as 'pinkie' is slang.--SAS87 16:34, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
In case there's confusion, I'm not saying it should be 'pinkie', I'm saying the complete opposite. AlmostReadytoFly 01:21, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, there was confusion, my mistake!--SAS87 20:46, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
  • May I suggest adding this quote from [[1]]
1. Pinkies Up! Originally, all porcelain teacups were made in China, starting around 620 A.D. These small cups had no handles. In order for one not to spill the hot liquid onto oneself, the proper way to hold the vessel was to place ones thumb at the six o'clock position and ones index and middle fingers at the twelve o'clock position, while gently raising ones pinkie up for balance.

"Strong tea served with milk and two teaspoons of sugar, usually in a mug, is commonly referred to as builder's tea. "

I was under the impression, well, I know for a fact, that in many parts of the Kingdom, it is called a "NATO brew", after the huge vats of tea made at military installations.

In Europe, when the Meissen Porcelain Company, in 1710, introduced the handle to the teacup, the tradition continued. By placing ones fingers to the front and back of the handle with ones pinkie up again allows balance. It is not an affectation, but a graceful way to avoid spills. Never loop your fingers through the handle, nor grasp the vessel bowl with the palm of your hand.''

Although as I have stated I think Afternoon Tea deserves it's own article. --SAS87 21:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Organization of countries

There are a lot of countries listed in what appears to be random order... I think either geographical grouping or alphabetical order would make sense. Does anyone have opinions or other suggestions?--Spyforthemoon 22:03, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Alphabetically by continent then by country? AlmostReadytoFly 11:10, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I took a stab at it. Trouble is so many of the countries are in that fuzzy central asia/middle east/eastern europe area. I decided to try listing in east-west order, since that ends up grouping more similar countries together, but I'm still unsure if I like the final result, and there are a lot of exceptions - i.e. Hong Kong talks mostly about the british influence, so I listed it as a British colony, but Morocco, which also has some British influence ended up in the Africa section since it didn't seem as strong. There was a lot of fuzzy personal judgements, so feel free to tweak my system or come up with another if you think you can improve. --Spyforthemoon 15:23, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Contradiction -> Sources needed

After a pretty thorough work over of the page, I removed the contradiction tag - I think that had to do with the British 'high tea' vs. 'afternoon tea' &c. which now redirects to the Tea (meal) page where they are well explained. If this in fact meant something else, please post here so that can get sorted out as well.

I did add the 'no sources' tag, while there are some sources given here, they are few and far between. In my opinion, this area needs major work in this page.--Spyforthemoon 22:26, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I put the contradiction tag in because of the various countries given as highest per capita consumer. Having removed a reference to Ireland, the only country currently given as highest is Turkey (with its cite needed tag).AlmostReadytoFly 09:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portugal vs. Holland

In most Czech written literature the the Netherlands are mentioned as the first nation to bring tea to (western) Europe, not the Portuguese. E.g., in Příběh Čaje (The Story of Tea) by Thomová et al., Argo, 2002 we find: "While Portuguese merchants were first to travel to China and Japan and meet tea, they did not recognise it as a marketable article. First stocks of tea to be brouht to Europe were bought around 1607 by Netherland merchants in Fujian province, China and presented in Holland in 1610..." (loose transaltion) Any references to support the Portuguese, credited in the article? --tbc 01:35, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

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