Talk:Tausug people
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[edit] Who?
The article states: 'Fearing government-persecution, he went to the hills. On "death row," he was finally pardoned by Pres Marcos on 11 September 1968.' Who is the 'he' mentioned in these sentences? yoyo 04:15, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
- The one external source given for this article appears to be the original, and this article a mere contraction of it. In part, it says:
- 'It was unlikely that the Muslims, who have had a cultural history as Muslims than the Filipinos as Christians, would surrender their identity. In 1951, Kamlun, a devout and wealthy native of Tandu Pa-nuan, took up arms against the government for a number of reasons. For one, he was not on good with other local leaders, some of whom he killed. There were also problems with land titling which Kamlun refused to undertake since to him ownership of land is not evident by means of piece of paper. Fearing government persecution, he went to the hills.'
- The first and last sentence of this quote appear in the article. The rest of the quote identifies 'he' as Kamlun.
- New question: Is this article nothing but an abridged copy of the web page given as the sole external source? If so, I believe Wikipedia guidelines would require its deletion. The alternative is to have someone rewrite the entire article independently, and preferably from several sources. yoyo 11:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] References
This article lacks references. Yet it contains many assertions of an historical nature, which normally require quoting an external source, in order for the article to meet Wikipedia standards. yoyo 04:18, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
- There is a single external link given at the foot of the article, which I missed before. It is to: http://litera1no4.tripod.com/tausug_frame.html, a page on the Phillipine Literature website. All the material in this Wikipedia article appears to be taken verbatim from the external source. Unless the author of that external webpage also wrote this article, I believe this article is simple plagiarism, and therefore contravenes guidelines. yoyo 11:39, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Proposed merger with Suluk
This article states: 'It has been suggested that this article or section be merged with Suluk. (Discuss)'.
Pro: Ethnically and culturally, the Suluk people in Sabah originated as Tausugs from the Phillipines.
Con: The Suluk people have been in Sabah since the early 1970s, when they arrived in their thousands as refugees from the armed conflict of Muslims separatists in Mindanao with the Phillipine central government; or even earlier. Many have lived the whole or most of their lives there, and some divergence of culture and identity would be expected from the different experiences of the Suluk in Malaysia and the Tausug in the Sulu archipelago. Suluk children go to school with Malaysian children; Suluk adults work alongside Malaysians.
On balance: It's up to the Tausug living in Malaysia - the Suluk - to decide their own identity for themselves. It could be argued that by choosing to live under Malaysian rule, they have already made that decision. Against that, it can be argued that many Suluk do return to their ancestral homes in the archipelago for visits, especially on special occasions. I feel that it may be useful for Wikipedia readers to have the two articles kept separate, as it emphasises the current different situations of the two groups. As an Australian of British descent, for example, I don't want to be thought of or treated as a displaced Briton. yoyo 12:00, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
