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[edit] Go get a uni degree?

What the hell kind of edit summary is that? Is there a Wikipedia page saying explicitly that I do not have, or am not in the process of gaining a degree, a double degree at that? Your comments are indicative of a personality that relies upon certification as a type of validity of your intelligence (real or percieved). I thought the whole purpose of Wikipedia is to allow the submission and editing of articles by the comman man? So why then should academic elitism be tolerated? The quality of your posts and of your political views suggest that you are in dire need of an education. So if I were you, I would pay more attention in lectures, and spend less time abusing fellow Wikipedians to inflate or sustain your undeserved ego. Oh and perhaps personal attacks should be directed to a discussion page? Good luck with law, better start training to chase those ambulances.

[edit] Mk.2

I would be interested in what you would classify the "most prestigious university in Australia"...You can alter the article, but I will change it if you keep removing the quotes I have included. These quotes reflect profoundly upon Trad's character, if you remove them, the article will certainly be lacking in substance. Feel free to include the more positive things,if I have failed to do this sufficiently, rectify it. If you want to engage in a game of one-up-manship it might gratify you or I, but will not improve Wikipedia's content. Im willng to play childrens' games, but really what will it achieve?Gullivers travels

[edit] Mk. 3

I have included more positive aspects on Trad. If you have any more information please include it. That said, it would be appreciated if you left the informaion I have included. Your profile says you live in Adelaide. Do you mean to imply the "most prestigious" university is not The University of Melbourne? Where I might add I am currently in attendence. If you dispute this, consult "The Times Higher Education Supplement". Okay, spleen vented... I dont want to get into a pi##ing contest. I concede that the article was biased, but racist? You assume many things (for instance you assume I am not Lebanese)to you detriment. Okay, now lets make the Keysar Trad article a good one. I would appreciate it of you could include positive aspects about his actvities, as I'm sure you will agree that there is an abundence of the opposite. Lets agree to disagree about Trad. I think there ought to be greater inclusion of his more positive achievements, but simply ignoring his aura of controversy would not achieve this. Regards, Gullivers travels 11:04, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mk. 4.

I'm happy now with the Keysar rad article. I assume you are two. I appreciate your contribution, and think that the current article is better then the previous two, both of which were biased. Gullivers travels


[edit] Admins

One is voted in, by other Wikipedia users. Have a read of Wikipedia:Guide to requests for adminship and Wikipedia:Requests for adminship. Cnwb 02:49, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Short articles

Hi, Tarins! Just so you know, short articles are fine. They must, however, be more than a single sentence and a weblink. Thanks and have fun! - Lucky 6.9 04:44, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zionism

We can discuss this on Talk:Zionism, if you would like, but I will give you my reasons for the deletion. You wrote: Although Zionism of the nineteenth century may have been secular to a certain extent, Israel was to be founded as a Jewish homeland with Judaism as the main religion. Many zionists, including a large portion of (former) Israeli Prime Ministers such as Golda Meir have held the belief that Jews are entitled to all of the Holy Land which includes all of Palestine and other Arab lands, despite the existence of the Canaanites (modern Palestinians) before the arrival of the Biblical Jews to Palestine. Zionists do tend to keep the issue of a Palestinian homeland out of their agenda as it is contradictory to their beliefs. A few issues:

  • "Although Zionism of the nineteenth century may have been secular to a certain extent" - actually, it was almost totally secular, not to a certain extent.
  • "Many zionists, including a large portion of (former) Israeli Prime Ministers such as Golda Meir have held the belief that Jews are entitled to all of the Holy Land which includes all of Palestine and other Arab lands" - this just isn't true, and I'd like to see your sources. Most Zionists do not believe that Israel is entitled to all of the region of Palestine, let alone "other Arab lands." And your info on prime ministers is wrong: Ben Gurion did not want the West Bank or Gaza, and was even neutral on East Jerusalem, according to The Tragedy of Zionism. Levi Eshkol called the occupation a "bone in Israel's throat." Begin, Rabin, Barak, and Peres do not fit in this catagory. Golda Meir certainly wanted to hold on to the West Bank, but did not want Gaza, or the other lands associated with the "Holy Land" (such as Jordan, which she tried to make peace with), and it is questionable as to whether she saw the West Bank as an entitlement or strategic interest. Etc.
  • "despite the existence of the Canaanites (modern Palestinians) before the arrival of the Biblical Jews to Palestine. " There is no connection between the Canaaites and modern Palestinians that I know of, and I am not sure how this would be relevant.
  • "Zionists do tend to keep the issue of a Palestinian homeland out of their agenda as it is contradictory to their beliefs." This also just not true, some Zionists are against a Palestinian homeland, some Zionists are for it, these generalizations are not useful - it is like saying that all Palestinians believe that Israel shouldn't exist.
  • Generally: You are using the term Zionist incorrectly to just mean "some right wing Israelis." As the article makes clear, there are many types of Zionism, and Zionist beliefs. The generalizations don't work here, and don't belong in the intro.

Hopefully, this makes my objections clearer, let me know if you want to discuss further. --Goodoldpolonius2 02:20, 26 January 2006 (UTC)


Your response seems to very strongly reflect your point of view that the existance of Israel is a theft of Arab lands. That is fine, you are entitled to your view, but uncited opinions and original research are not encyclopedic, and I think there are a number of factual errors in your statements. You are going to need to cite sources.
For example, on your point about Herzl making "little if any mention of a secularism or a secular state" is just plain wrong, from Avi Shlaim, author of The Iron Wall: Israel and the Arab World: The idea of a modern state for the Jews emerged from the mind of Theodor Herzl, for whom Zionism was political and had nothing to do with Judaism, the religion. Any readings of material from Herzl would confirm this. You also made the claim that most Israeli Prime Ministers wanted to conquer all of the "Holy Land" which means Transjordan, at least, but there is no evidence you have given to this view, while statements like "Ben Gurion was the man to lay the foundation for invasion of other lands" seem quite out of sync with most views of Ben Gurion, so you might want to provide sources for that as well. Statements like "Jerusalem was the Arabs, till it was invaded" also are problematic -- Jerusalem was actually ruled by the Turks, and then by the British, and then it was supposed to be internationalized but was fought over by the Arab Legion, Arab irregulars, and the Haganah. There was a Jewish majority in the city by the mid-19th century -- so why was it, as you say, the Arabs until it was invaded? Also, you make a citation to the "Book of World Anthropology" stating that Palestinians are Canaanites, but I can't find this book anywhere, can you give me the reference?
Finally, you seem to be using your own definition of Zionism, stating things like "The Jewish homeland given to the Jews by God is in the core of the Zionist ideology" or "For Zionists agreeing to build a Palestinian land means giving up some of Israel." Zionism is hardly monolithic, and while some Zionists would agree with these statements, others would not -- many Zionists were happy with the UN partition plan, for example, and many Zionists today do not see the West Bank and Gaza as part of Israel. So, the long and the short of it is that you should provide credible sources for your assertions (trying to avoid extreme sources in dealing with these issues is important) and then it will be possible to discuss in more detail. I hope this helps. --Goodoldpolonius2 06:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Keysar Trad.

If you feel there is a POV, feel free to edit out certain examples of emotive language, but DO NOT delete the entire article. You must also refer such claims to the discussion page, instead of beligerently reducing the article to a single sentance. If you continue with such a lack of regard for etiquette, I will report your actions as being vandalous.

[edit] Reversion of edits - please take more care

  • Your most recent edit of Islam in Australia was innapropriate. As per another editor's comment when reverting your reversion: "er; I don't see any obvious vandalism; please just change what you object to, so it's easier to identify and discuss". One of the edits you reverted out was mine - I cannot possibly see how it fell into the category of your comment "Reverting Vandalism. Please keep wikipedia an encyclopedia. Not your own sick diaries."--A Y Arktos 01:40, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I came to make a similar comment. My two edits were cleanup, clarification, disambiguation and removal of duplication. The topic has the potential to become quite interesting, even featured, but we have to work together. --Scott Davis Talk 04:32, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Yes I am a muslim. why did you ask such personal question in such a tone. What is wrong with my edit?Zaheer89 06:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Islam in Australia

Please do not write misleading edit summaries. If you disagree with another editor's bona fide edits, that does not make their edits vandalism. Please refrain from such practices in the future. Xtra 12:19, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Tarins01 please do not edit anonymously at 218.215.194.144 and please do not describe all edits you disagree with as vandalism. Xtra 03:19, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Christianity in Australia

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Xtra 03:28, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

What you are adding is irrelevant and highly POV. Xtra 03:32, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

You have written it out of context, in the incorrect location and in a highly POV and inflamatory way. I am also a law student and I am not ignorant of history. I think you should reconsider your edits and read Wikipedia:NPOV. Xtra 03:40, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

It is irrelevant in that place and is highly inflamatory and POV. Please stop. Xtra 03:44, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Your writings were inflammatory, irrevelant and wholly biased. Wikipedia is not a means to attack Christianity - I have created a redirect page to Religion in Australia:Christianity in replacement. michael talk 03:50, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

You have been blocked for 24 hours for a violation of the WP:3RR rule based on your edits to the Christianity in Australia article. enochlau (talk) 03:55, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Your "see also" addition of Christianity in Australia is an inappropriate POV attack fork. Please keep in mind WP:POINT.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 00:31, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Please do not revert this without discussing this on the talk page - as it has already been reverted multiple times.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 02:42, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Christianity and Islam in Australia

Tarins, please respond to talk:Christianity in Australia. I am interested in advancing both Islam in Australia and Christianity in Australia. Perhaps we can all work together and improve both articles (and any other religions in Australia articles). --Scott Davis Talk 03:42, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Userboxes

Hi! Thanks for your question. I think you're referring to the userboxes - have a look at WP:BOX. Give me a yell if you've got any more questions and by all means feel free to steal from my user page. Sambo 16:34, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mahomet Allum

[edit] Copyright issue with Mahomet Allum

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