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Contents 1 Etymology? 2 Tartarus in neopaganism 3 wtf?? 4 "Inspired Scriptures?" 5 Removed Xtian section 6 Massive Errors 7 Return of Etymology

[edit] Etymology?

Someone recently added the etymology to tartarus, claiming it to be "tartarizo" ('shivering cold'). I've never heard this before, and no searches turn up anything. I've been searching for an etymology for years and never really found anything, so, I'm wondering about the accuracy of this etymology. --Sfida 06:10, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Why not ask the person who made the addition which would be Lars951. (Bartimaeus 06:57, 9 June 2006 (UTC))

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Tartarus seems to be both a creature and a place (Typhus, child of Tartarus, is thrown into a pit called Tartarus). Perhaps someone who knows more about this could clarify it. Someone else

Tartarus is both a deity and a place in the underworld. Hades, Uranus and Gaia had the same dual nature--the underworld, the heavens and the earth, respectively. It is best to think of it in the same way as the river-gods. They were gods of their respective rivers (one river per god) but were also the physical embodiment of that river. For example, one river-god whose name I can't remember "had sex" in a fashion with a girl who was turned into a spring by changing his course to go underground and mingle his water with hers. He was both a person who represented the river and the river itself. Tartarus is the same kind of thing.

I get the concept, I was just thinking that it ought to be explicit on the Tartarus page. So I'll move the explanation to the subject page. Someone else

I can't find ta location for Tartarus as a creature. Is it in a medieval Christian poem? Or is it just someone's feeling that if Hades was a god as well as a place, then Tartarus ought to be one too. I itch to remove this stumble, but I hold off on the principle Avoid unnecessary interference. Can anyone help? --Wetman 20:47, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I've got it: lines in Hesiod and Pindar... Still seems more like poetry than myth...--Wetman 22:15, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

lol, why you would want to find references to an ancient Greek afterlife place in a Christian poem? Anyway, Hesiod and Pindar are centuries older than the proposed date of birth of Jesus.--Darthanakin 08:31, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Isn't there a moon or an asteroid named after Tartarus? There's one named after almost everything else in mythology.

Tartarus the Brute leader?

[edit] Tartarus in neopaganism

I have some serious doubts about this section; most neopagans seem to endorse reincarnation or some kind of Summerland idea of the afterlife, and while Hellenic polytheism allows for many and varied views of the afterlife, I have never heard anyone in the Hellenic polytheist community describe Tartarus as anything even remotely close to the Christian Hell, or draw an analogy between Cronos and Satan. The only reference to this I've ever seen is a tongue-in-cheek parody of an anti-Catholic Chick tract, which, while quite funny, doesn't represent the actual religious views of its author. Unless some major new information is brought forward, I'm inclined to delete the section, because I really don't think neopagans have any kind of a consistent view on this topic. - AdelaMae ^{(talk - contribs)} 06:20, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] wtf??

how come no where in wiki is prometheus accuratly mentioned. For he was the titan that made zeus revolt possible in the first place by prophecying that a titan would betray all the titans and then by subsequently betraying them to zeus inadvertently. He then tried to reverse his actions and was chained to a rock in the middle of the sea to have an eagle come and eat out his liver every day

[edit] "Inspired Scriptures?"

What's that "inspired scriptures" talk in the See Also section? Looks like the POV of the practitioner of a particular religion.

[edit] Removed Xtian section

I removed the section about "Christian Tartarus" as I am not familiar with any such reference and couldn't find any references. If I'm mistaken, then please by all means restore the deleted section ***and provide references to back it up*** . Thank you. Zero sharp 04:28, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Massive Errors

There are some really big errors and misunderstandings in this article.

• Hades is a God, not a place. Hades has erroneously come to mean the underworld in lay usage, however, and some people argued that in the Hades article, readers would expect to see Hades as refering to underworld - and so it should stay. But I doubt that argument holds here. For the sake of clarity, the underworld should be called the "underworld" (but I will add that modern usage also erroneously refers to the underworld as "Hades").
• Tartarus is not "below" the underworld in ANY SENSE. It is merely a part of the underworld.
• Hesiod's Theogony DOES NOT say that Tartarus was the son of Aether and Gaia: Tartarus, along with Nyx, Erebus, Gaia and Eros, were the first beings to come into existence from kaos (chaos).
• Also, I don't remember the Iliad refering to the underworld as "Hades". That is a gross misquotation. In fact, I don't remember that story being in Iliad, but I may be wrong about that. [Indeed, I am: Homer does say this; but it is contradictory to the rest of Iliad, so presenting this line as fact without context is misleading - Krea 23:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)]. Hesiod said that: A brazen anvil, if let go from Heaven, would fall for nine days and nights and land on Earth on the tenth (and make one hell of a mess!); and that if let go from the Earth would fall for nine days and nights and would reach Tartarus on the tenth.

Are there any objections to the points I've raised? If not, then I will go ahead and correct the article. Krea 18:25, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Return of Etymology

Someone has included yet another etymology, "deep place" -- does anyone have any confirmation on whether this is a true etymology or not? Should I add a fact tag? --Serph 20:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)