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[edit] Diacritic Mark

"In July 1997, the hit single S,imarik was released." -- What is the comma doing there? It's not present in the Turkish version, nor any diacritic mark around S, so it may be a typo, isn't it?

Adam78 02:46, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Soleil vs Valance

The English version of "Kiss Kiss" was first recorded by Stella Soleil in 2001 before it got released by Holly Valance (in 2002). The Valance version is significantly more popular, although both versions sound nearly identical, so I'm not sure if it's really worthy of inclusion. --Nulldevice 16:05, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Actually, at least in America, Stella Soleil's "Kiss Kiss" was the only version that got played. Tarkan's original was released on a greatest hits album, but it wasn't popular with the mainstream American audience; it mostly appeals to the Latino market. I don't know if the Holly Valance version was released here at all. --68.164.83.80 19:44, 10 August 2006 (UTC) a random Elizabeth

[edit] User Khoikhoi supports vandalism

"He is affectionately known as the Turkish Prince of Pop"... come on, could you make it sound any cornier? It sounds like the parody of some one hit wonder who had one international single... nevermind, just know that it sounds lame.

It doesn't mention being the prince of international pop dumbass, obviously in Turkey - in his own native land - he is the definitive prince of pop - and by guessing from where you're from at least he has had TWO international hits. Can you say the same? Go play elsewhere hater or next time have the guts to leave a signature. 82.145.231.166 03:43, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Amendent: The vandal's top comment was removed using Vandalproof but Khoikhoi saw fit to revert it back. 82.145.231.93 03:21, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually he had three hits in Europe, Simarik, Şıkıdım and Bu Gece and now Bounce (song) and Start the Fire (song) are also climbing up German charts. Respect. --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 20:46, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for page protection

There's no need to protect the page just 'coz someone puts in some fully relevant and verifiable info about he's being homosexual. It made him a bit "less popular" (at least among his Turkish fans) so it has to be in the article!

200.77.144.246 2 July 2005 00:40 (UTC)

He is known as bisexual in Turkey.

Can someone please source this "fully relevant and verifiable info". Where is it? I haven't seen it? People think they can just spout as much cr*p as they want. Put down the sources - I want to see them for myself. 82.145.231.217 20:16, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

The page was placed for protection against vandalism not connected to any subject matter. Some person just kept attacking the aricle by wiping all information and adding silly messages. 208.255.231.66 01:55, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

  • "He is known as bisexual in Turkey."

-- mind your words please. KNOWN means that he admitted which is not true. SHOW us your sources where Tarkan himself states this! RUMOUR and FACT are two different things. It's another thing that TABLOID papers write that he seems to be bisexual/or homosexual judging by looks and some photo scandals which again does not prove anything. Until he himself says this you cannot make statements like that! And giving tabloid papers as sources is the worst you can do, they have no reliable sources either! Tarkan in an interview given to Hürriyet stated that he IS not homosexual, read "Gentle as a Lamb", by Ayse Arman, Hürriyet, transl. by Ali Yildirim at http://tarkantr.blogspot.com/2005/05/gentle-as-lamb.html

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[edit] Age of Empires 2?

In the expansion of Age of Empires 2 tarkan is an anti-building cavalry unique to the huns.Can a page explaining this be created? Bluepaladin

  • Tarkan is a Hun-Turkish name so that is why there is a cavalry unit named after it. With respect, Deliogul 18:57, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I don't think that would fit in this page, though. It is about the pop singer under the stage name Tarkan - if anyone wnts to write a spearate page about the other uses of Tarkan, feel free :)--Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 20:43, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Huh?

Please explain to me how the person's comment is vandalism. It looks like a legit comment to me. And was the last thing you said sarcasm or sincerity? —Khoikhoi 19:16, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Because it is not contributing anything relevant or significant. That "corny" line which "sounds lame" was cited from a reputable collegiate paper in America (one of the oldest). Furthermore the sacarstic implication that Tarkan is a one hit wonder (in Europe and Latin America) which obviously is not the case - why does the vandal have a problem with this title? Possibly because like other people on Wikipedia - you play to your own prejudices. Plus why didn't the vandal put a sig? And finally it was considered vandalism enough to be REMOVED by a user. Frankly, I don't see this a legit comment at all, and it just makes you more illegit. Checking through your edit history it shows how biased you are towards any Turkish related pages, maybe you should patrolling pages you could actively contribute to in a worthwhile manner - and not to revert or reinsert petty comments made on the run. 82.145.231.218 16:07, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recommended reading before editing!

Those who want to understand the Tarkan phenomenon should read this article http://tarkandeluxe.blogspot.com/2004/07/passion-of-tarkan.html BEFORE editing ANYTHING! The artcile is totally unbiased, based on facts and reports, not hiding anything either. Thanks to Ali Yildirim. Tarkan is not simply a singer in Turkey. He is the singer. And that's a fact. people either dislike him or admire him but ask anyone in Turkey out of 70 million people, there wouldn't be a single one without an opinion. Somehting like an Elvis Presley impact on people. and undoubtedly he is the most successful Turkish performer in Turkey and outside of Turkey as well. and the most important thing is, in my opinion, that he became such a phenomenon without the media's help (who were agaisnt him from the very beginning). Those who haven't yet been to a concert in Turkey cannot know what it is like out there. People from all age groups and both sexes simply go wild when he appaears on stage. Even if he doesn't tour for two years and then gives one single concert it's FULL. One journalist says that this is what makes him a true star. He doesn't have to make scandals to be on the agneda of newspapers (they'll find out something anyway). For years he hadn't given a proper interview or appeared in TV shows and yet whenever he gave a concert it was full success. Rumours say last year's Ankara concert had 40.000 people, and his last album was published in 2003! That's soemthing remarkable. oesn't even have to move his little finger to gather people around. I had the chance to meet him personally and now I can fully understand what Ali is writing about in the artcile above. He has such an aura that only the greatests have, soemthin that turns even heterosexual men (!) into fans of his, I saw that with my own eyes a week ago in Vienna! You have to visit Turkey once and see with your own eys the hysteria he causes anywhere he appears. A lot of Turks say they hate him but every of them has at least one Tarkan cd at home and that's unbelievable! I mean if I hate some performer I wouldn't spend money on their stuff... But a Tarkan cd is soemthing every Turk mhas to have in their collection and they do - legally or illegally but they do! --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 21:11, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Articles

For trasnlated articles see http://tarkantr.blogspot.com/ It is also Ali's work - and he is NOT a fan. Unfortunately there aren't many sources in English about Tarkan, and the best are Ali's translations. You cannot be subjective when you translate, it's not like writing something out of your head.... and he is fluent in English, he's been living in england since the age of 3... and for he is a lawyer himself, he is very accurate in naming his sources and generally about coypright stuff. If this is not enough for you, ask some of the Turkish editors here to check some of Ali's translations and give an opinion about them, whether they are good enough.

Here is a part of an interview he gave in 2001 to Hürriyet, one of the most acknowledged newspapers:[1](translation:Ali Yildirim):

After all those years of silence why did you find it necessary to break your silence and declare "No, I'm not gay!" recently?
- Because they are always asking me. And from the first day. If you were asked the same thing everyday, you'd get tired of it too. You'd say "Enough!"
Does it bother you? Or do you think "Let them think what they want it doesn't concern me"?
- I can do what I want. And I might have done everything. And there are times when I think whose business is it anyway...
What would happen if you were gay, would "Your little girl fans protest and leave you"?
- What's that got to do with it? They wouldn't disappear! Just the opposite, they'd feel closer to me. But I'm not saying that this is the case. I'm just saying that "This is my life". Or have I given the impression that I am trying to prove the opposite? I might be that way inclined I might not be...
Who do you think starts such rumours?
- Men! Definitely. Women don't even care about things like that. From the first, it's been look at his earring, his ripped jeans...
Why are men doing this to you?
- We both know the answer to that question. XXX
Is it only because they are jealous of you?
- I'm a threat to men!
Is it because you can get women that they like?
- Nooo. It's because I destroy what they try to show off as manhood!

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They said Ricky Martin is gay...
- Yes because in his presentation of music and sensuality too there is sex. This is appealing to people. To both men and women. I am not Ibrahim Tatlises (a Turkish male singer) to approach women in a macho fashion. Years ago I said "I am both feminine and masculine". What I meant was being androgynous. Ricky has this too. But only him? No, Michael Jackson, Prince, even in Elvis Presley too. I don't want people to think I'm comparing myself to them, but I do not just excite one side. I want to excite everybody. Prince, even though everyone believes him to be heterosexual, goes on stage in high heel shoes. This is how he feels comfortable. So he can dance well, sing and play well. When Ricky wears tight pants and shows his belly it happens. When I do it too. The stage is a different world. You become one with God and the music. I have to be as comfortable as I can on stage, don't I? There must be no limits, no taboos. And the purpose is not just to excite one side! Why should I just play for the ladies? I mustn't pass over the men. This is the stage not my bedroom. I sing my songs for everyone. A man might be excited by me, just as well as a woman...

--- And this articleis answer to your media question as well. They don't like him because he shows a different picture of Turkish men. Turkish men like to pretend to be invincible, strong and macho (like Ibrahim Tatlises). And this a picture of a thousand years and now Tarkan brought in another type of male picture: the sensitive, the "femalish", who can dance ina sexy way (which is not at all accepted in Turkey, men should dance in a manly way and shouldn't sway their hips and do belly dancing which tarkan does ON STAGE -- Love Provocateur -- "Raise Your Arms" section)

When I said he desn't have such a relationship with the media as others I didn't mean he doesn't need promotion or advertisements. Of course he also has ads and tv promotions and the kind of stuff an artist needs to promote their work. What Tarkan doesn't do is he doesn't want to flatter the media and doesn't curry favour with them, as other celebs do in Turkey. The media in Turkey hasn't yet realised that the mud throwing they have been doing ever since this revolutionary-behaving guy appeared on stage in ripped jeans and earrings and started swaying his hips in "a shameful way", so this mud throwing has not broken Tarkan's career, however they intended to bring him down with the rumours he always stood up and became ever more famous than before.

Why is he famous? There was an article in Turkey last year after his bomb tour, trying to find out his "secret". http://www.ohbee.net/?page=contents.php&id=483

The title is: The Only Star of the Last 10 years

I try to summerize the article and hereby I ask the Turkish fellow editors to check my translation so that random Elizabeth wouldn't think I am intentiously mistranslating things...

The article tries to find out what the reasons are behind the fact that despite his silence Tarkan has been the only real star in Turkey for 10 years now and he continues to do so.

It states that despite the fact that despite the facts that

1. Dudu was not successful enough (it sold "only" 1 million copies compared to Ölürüm Sana's 4 million - note: most Turkish albums don't even reach a number higher than 100.000 copies....) 2. for 4 years he did not publish a full album 3. he mostly lives in america 4. you can hardly ever see him on TV 5. for years he haven't given a proper interview

but still he has been number 1. since 1994

They say he has "something" the other singers (who might have a better voice or better songs) don't have. This "something" can be called charisma, aura or stardust but it is true that no one in Turkey has this "thing" in him but Tarkan. They say despite all the silence Tarkan proved with the avea concerts that nobody else can do what he can: just in Istanbul more than 30 thousand people were crying and screaming for him, making traffic impossible around the stadium. Tarkan proved that no matter what, he is and will be Turkey's only megastar. No matter the scandals (the "I have to pee" scandal, the naked photos, the army scandal) he never lost his popularity for a single moment. And in the meantime the yound long haired boy wearing a leather jacket grown into a musculine sexy but still modest man.

The article finishes like that: Like it or not, Tarkan is Turkey's most popular singer ever. --

I hope this answers your questions, Elizabeth --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 09:51, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

  • The above answered some of my questions, but not all. Your articles described how Tarkan is a superstar, but they didn't adequately explain why. I guess I'm too cynical to believe that charisma alone could propel Tarkan to superstardom. I suppose when I asked what he does with the media, I was thinking more along the lines of subtle manipulation, maybe one media coup that he's figured out how to milk to this day. In other words, something clever. If you look at the other superstars out there -- like Madonna and David Bowie -- you notice a pattern of cleverness. These people may not always be book-smart (Britney Spears, for example), but they have more media savvy than anyone else and that's what gets them ahead. That Tarkan is different from other Turkish singers could have gotten him some attention early in his career, and it's true that he's changed his image from time to time to keep up that momentum, but that can't be the entire story. There must be something else, something going on behind the scenes, something that's so subtle we don't notice it but so effective that Tarkan stays in the public conciousness even as he retreats from the public eye. What is it? --68.164.83.80 18:04, 9 August 2006 (UTC) a random Elizabeth

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Can't we PLEASE stop this absolutely pointless quarrell? No need to drag this further! I told my opinion and you all told yours. If Elizabeth wants to know more she should search and not ask me to get other info to her. I think i have done enough now. Elizabeth, if you are relaly interested, type Tarkan into google and look for yourself. talk to Turkish people and see for yourself why he is THE superstar in Turkey and no one else. You don't have to believe me, ask Turkish people then. Ask them why Tarkan is the only megastar in Turkey. WHO CASRES WHY he became like that?! He IS the number 1 and that's a FACT. Look up any statistics of album sellings and concert ticket sellings in Turkey. NOT ONE Turkish artist has ever given a concert to 40.000 people on one single night but Tarkan! And that tells everything. OK, that Robbie Williams can do the same. or britney can do the same, but if you look at their countries a 100 more artists can do the same! But in Turkey, tarkan is the only one who can bring 40.000 people together for a single concert. You cannot get so high by manipulating the media. The media cannot fool everyone with their tricks. tarkan makes good music, has an exceptional charisma and he was the first real artist in his category. He causes hysteria wherever he goes in turkey. people copy his dressing style and hairstyle. you want to know why? ask the Turks! I really can't say more! --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 16:32, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I care why Tarkan became famous, because, well, I think it's an interesting question. (even when I asked about Tarkan's sexuality, it was always with regard for how it reflected his relationship with the media) But now you've answered it: "He has exceptional chairisma and he was the first real artist in his catagory." Ah! That's what I needed to hear. He did something new, and he had enough charm and intelligence to pull it off. When I've googled Tarkan in the past (where else can an American get information about Tarkan but the internet?), all I could find were fan-sites that were heavy on worship but not objectivity. But now I understand. Tarkan appeals to the Turks like Elvis appealed to the Americans, and for many of the same reasons. I get that now. Thank you. --68.164.83.80 20:04, 10 August 2006 (UTC) a random Elizabeth

[edit] why arabic?

A question to neutralwriter: WHY arabic in the info box??? As far as I know Turks don't necessarily speak arabic, it is not an official language so would you please just remove it? --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 16:50, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tarkan is hot !!!

Tarkan is hot! I want him so bad. I think he's one of the most handsome Turkish music artists that anyone could think of at the moment.

[edit] however, unlikely

"Tarkan in Vienna with Hungarian fans". Austrian fans?

No, HUNGARİAN fans because altough he gave a concert in Vienna, he was with Hungarian fans on the photos, I know cuz I was there. It was a special meet and greet exclusively arranged for the Hungarian fans who travelled all the way to Vienna just to see him. --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 15:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

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