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Expansion

Warning, this subject has been refactored from several different sections, and presents the perspective of one Wikipedia contributor. This summary might not reflect everything that was discussed previously, and none of it should be viewed as absolute truth or the opinions of those involved in these discussions. 68.226.61.4 04:27, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Photo Lab

Didnt know whether to include this into Target or make it a new thing, but somethign should be mentioned about their restructured photo lab. I had a family member that was a manager of a photo lab that has information about what exactly has happened and such. For example, in June of 2005, Target and Kodak/Qualex contract was up and Target decided to take back their photo labs from them, laying off many staff members from the Photo Lab division. Just a thought currently, any suggestions? --Something crazy 01:16, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

There is such a mention, the second paragraph in Target Corporation#Target. I wrote the original one a long time ago, and cited my research. I placed it in this section because it was the first mention of Target having photo labs. Feel free to expand it or move it elsewhere as you wish. 68.226.61.4 01:27, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Transition period

I think this article should mention Target's "transition period" from a minor retailer in the background to becoming a superpower in the retailing business. At least in America. From what I remember, in the 70s, 80s and early 90s, Target was a sparse unotable store. But then in the mid to late 1990s, Target started a campaign of redesigning their image, stores and introduced clean cut and cleaver commercials. Then in 2001 and 2002 they came to the forefront of the retail business. We need to find a way to neutralize this information and include it. Suso 01:48, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Here is an article I found, I believe it somewhat describes this transition period you are speaking of. The period you are talking about is when Target expanded into the Northeastern United States and became the nation's second national discount retailer, after Kmart. In order to get the elite that resided in the Northeast to shop in its stores, Target had to present itself as on-par with the higher-end department stores in that location. Its effort included extreme advertizing campaigns, as well as selling Michael Graves's signature $40 teapot and other products to compete against Kmart's Martha Stewart. This move pretty much convinced Laura Rowley to write her book.
There are two other major "transition periods" that the chain has gone through. The first one was in 1968, when Target expanded to St. Louis and John Geisse quit his job. The second was from 1972 to 1975, when Target had a problem with overstocking surpluses and disregarding inventory costs. Tuxide 21:28, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Bullseye, the Dog

User newkai suggested that a section be made on the Bullseye Dog mascot. Known information:

  • Bullseye is a Bull Terrier
  • Bullseye Dog is a trademark of Target Brands, says so on the bottom of http://www.target.com/ and the circular

I was fairly certain that the dog was a pit bull. Is that the same as a bull terrier? 69.174.71.38 20:49, 28 February 2006 (UTC)Ryan

vs. Image:Redbull.jpg He's a Bull Terrier (right) -newkai | talk | contribs 22:14, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Expansion as per FACfailed

As per Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Target Corporation, the following sections need expansion:

  • Target Australia, needs to include a paragraph about the talks about Target buying out Zellers in Canada and then the section needs to be renamed appropriately to reflect some international thing, could also include more similarities between Target stores in the US and these other places (like Zellers sells Cherokee brand clothing)
  • Diversity (draws a blank line, sorry)
  • Major sponsorships, needs to include something about their Breast cancer merchandise, and after that can say the race car turns pink during the month of October
  • The lead paragraph, needs to be expanded to two or three paragraphs to synopsize the article after the other three sections have been expanded.

SuperTarget: "Carry Out" vs. "Parcel Pick-Up"

Hello, I live in the Omaha, Nebraska region, where there are three SuperTargets. One of these is notable for being the company's first SuperTarget store, and another one is the second SuperTarget store in Nebraska. The three SuperTargets in this region all provide a service called "Parcel Pick-Up", where after paying for merchandise, the guest has the option to drive up to the front of the store and have their purchased items, like groceries, loaded into their vehicle, as opposed to the more traditional straight-out-to-your-vehicle "Carry Out". I happen to do this job in one of the three stores, and I once heard that "Parcel Pick-Up" is unique to the three SuperTargets in the Omaha region and all other SuperTargets provide "Carry Out".

My question is if anyone who lives outside of the Omaha region and visits a SuperTarget know if their store provides "Parcel Pick-Up"? I have never visited a SuperTarget other than these three, so I don't know how credible that statement is, and since "Parcel Pick-Up" is not the traditional way of loading groceries into someone's vehicle (least in Omaha) I think something about "Parcel Pick-Up" would be remarkable to add to Wikipedia. I suppose I could confirm this again in work but I wanted to research this from outside of the company. Thanks. 68.226.61.4 02:07, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

I just don't see how them loading groceries into your car is encyclopedia-worthy... -- BrandonR 16:17, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
It's not loading groceries into someone's car that's remarkable, but the reasons behind making the decision to go outside of what is considered to be the norm. The norm here is Carry Out, and Parcel Pick-Up is not Carry Out. It is very different from Carry Out. I don't know which of these the SuperTarget in San Antonio does, but I can assume it's Carry Out. The first SuperTarget ever built did Parcel Pick-Up, and so do the other two in Omaha. Why did they make such a decision to do this instead of Carry Out? I don't know, but I sure would like to research this and see it thrown in here. 68.226.61.4 07:46, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
I don't remember seeing the parcel pickup in Olathe, KS. I know the Price Chopper had a drive through lane where you could do what you call parcel pick up. Price Chopper and Target bag your groceries for you but you have to carry then out. Dillon's bags your groceries and carts them out for you or at least they did last time I bought more than a few items there. Some discount grocery stores make you bag your own groceries.--Gbleem 03:52, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

SuperTargets in NC do not offer any such service. Wikipedianinthehouse 21:38, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Somebody has recently uploaded an image of the front of a SuperTarget store in Salt Lake City. It appears that they have a lane along the front of their building for "Parcel Pick-Up," which is a contradiction to the statement that I've heard in work, that only Omaha SuperTargets provide Parcel Pick-Up and all other SuperTargets provide Carry Out.
Would it be more correct to state that some SuperTargets provide Parcel Pick-Up and other SuperTargets provide Carry Out then? I'm interested to know if there is such a SuperTarget that provides Carry Out, for I have never seen one that does. I'm only asking about SuperTargets. 68.226.61.4 03:22, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

- The Mason City, Iowa SuperTarget store had a Parcel Pick-up area too. That store was the 4th ever SuperTarget. The Parcel Pick-up area was closed about three years ago. -

founding year?

Someone just changed the founding year from 1902 to 1962. The Dayton Dry Goods Company was formed in 1902. In my opinion, this was the true beginning of the Target Corporation even if it was called something different way back then. What do you all think? --MatthewUND(talk) 18:16, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

I concur. Its still the same company even though it has shed its other divisions. Wikipedianinthehouse 21:16, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
I disagree. Target Corporation recognizes itself as being founded in 1962. I would support the inclusion of 1902 as the founding of its parent company. (Jay 23:51, 2 March 2006 (UTC))
Unless anyone objects within 10 days, I am re-writing the sentence to mention that the parent company was founded in 1902 and Target in 62. (Jay 05:34, 11 March 2006 (UTC))

Patents: ClearRx, GiftCards, ...

Some information I thought was interesting, now that Wikipedianinthehouse added the ClearRx information. I'm not 100% sure if these "facts" are true, but I would throw it in if I could cite it from the USPTO site.

  • You will never see ClearRx in a pharmacy other than a Target one because ClearRx is patented
  • Certain types of GiftCards, such as glow-in-the-dark GiftCards, scratch 'n' sniff GiftCards, GiftCards that light up and make sound, are patented...that's why you don't see them outside of Target stores

Does someone who knows how to work out the USPTO site able to throw this in here with citations? Else I will when I have time to. 68.226.61.4 08:45, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Bingo. Credit or stored value card with wood layer, uspto.gov and image 68.226.61.4 06:54, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

A full list of patents assigned to Target Brands is here. JesseW, the juggling janitor 01:06, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Apparently "The ornamental design for a duck financial transaction card" has a seperate patent(D522,573), but I haven't had any luck finding one for ClearRx. JesseW, the juggling janitor 01:42, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I have just received a ClearRx prescription from a Target pharmacy. If you read the back label, it most certainly says "Patent pending" on the very bottom. Suckage, and here I thought the patent was approved already. Perhaps "patent pending" is notable though, a lot of news articles about ClearRx I've seen misleads the reader as if the patent had already been obtained. Tuxide 02:34, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Dubious source

I noticed that footnote 13 currently links to http://www.saveroe.com/node/1714/, a page from a blog operated on a Planned Parenthood server. This reference does not appear to conform with Wikipedia:Verifiability#Dubious sources and Wikipedia:Reliable sources#Evaluating secondary sources as it is a blog page and the server is run by an organization that is politically active in the area of reproductive services. Does anyone have another source for the claims made by this reference? --Allen3 talk 00:49, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

I noticed that someone has replaced this citation; however, it is from a newspaper and is therefore not freely readable to everyone. If possible, we should least find something we all can read. Tuxide 00:36, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Target as law enforcement

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/28/AR2006012801268.html This is a really interesting article about Target helping law enforcement catch criminals. I really hope this is incorporated into the main article. I'm new to Wikipedia and don't really know how to edit the pages in the correct format nor do I know how to draft well, but I want to help out this wonderful project. So I'm pointing out this article for those who may have the expertise. I hope it helps the project. Dtrizzle 05:32, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Added. Wikipedianinthehouse 20:27, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Distribution Centers

there is conflicting information on this page. Are there 23 or 27 distribution centers? (Jay 21:08, 2 March 2006 (UTC))

There are 23 distribution centers, according to Target's corporate fact card, updated today even. There were 23 back when I originally wrote that paragraph. I am removing the image in question, since I can't figure out where the other four come from. Three of them could be "import warehouses," and then there's a fourth dot in Minnesota that is unaccounted for. 68.226.61.4 05:24, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Is the 4th dot possibly Target Commercial Interiors (TCI)? It has nothing to do with distribution, but is one of a kind and in that general area. There is also no mention of it in this article and it should be added. Maybe with some retouching we can re-use that image.(Jay 11:41, 3 March 2006 (UTC))
I don't think it's TCI, my first thought was that the fourth dot was HQ itself. Target Commercial Interiors is mentioned in the article--I expanded it myself--however it is quite out of place and in the History section. The entire list of subsidiaries should be moved out into its own section for consistency, in my opinion. I will ask the uploader myself what the other four dots are. 68.226.61.4 01:17, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
I just read today from another article written by Target that there are 27 distrobution centers. The list I was able to obtain lists 32 centers of some sort, one being for returns, two being in the same city (presumably just dual facilities) and another is a "Wharehouse Outlet Store". Nothing on my list mentiones anything other then the Fridley, MN center being in MN. (Jay 04:09, 4 March 2006 (UTC))
I suppose the fourth dot could be the Target.com store, since its supply has nothing to do with Target stores, and they carry many different items that even Target Greatlands and SuperTargets don't carry. 68.226.61.4 04:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Urban Stores

Urban Stores

The article mentions Target having urban stores that appear way different than their boxy suburban ones. We could really use a free image of one of these places. Such stores include the ones in Downtown Minneapolis, MN, Brooklyn, NY, and Stamford, CT; however, there are others.

The section also mentions two-story Target stores using a Vermaport. There is already a free image of one.

I can supply two images of multi-level stores (Springfield, PA and Abington, PA). I do believe that are not the best quality, but I also think they are better than the vermaport photo. Please remember to sign your edits on this page. (Jay 21:13, 2 March 2006 (UTC))
Thank you, I am looking forward to seeing them. I only intended the vermaport photo to be a temporary placeholder anyways. Also, this page was getting way to big, so I'm attempting to refactor the good stuff that was on here. This is why you don't see this post signed, because it was not original. I have archived the original discussions. 68.226.61.4 06:15, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Here they are. They are not as good as my two other photographic contributions and don't think they are wikipedia quality. Add them if you wish. The first one its raining, the second one its snowing. (Shortly after I typed that I found the third image listed here, it is of better quality.) You should register as you are adding quite nicely to this article. I may be able to obtain pictures of the Atlantic Terminal store in a few weeks time. You can either hold off or I can change it if I ever take a better one. Feel free to contact me via e-mail or instant message via my user page (I have many other photos).

Springfield, PA

Abington, PA

Springfield, VA

Atlantic Terminal, NYC
(Jay 11:33, 3 March 2006 (UTC))
I will also attempt to re-photograph the Abington store as it demonstrates the twin level stores wonderfully. (Jay 07:32, 5 March 2006 (UTC))
Thank you for uploading these. I have taken the one I believe is the most remarkable and replaced the Vermaport image with it for the time being. I am looking forward to seeing the Atlantic Terminal building. 68.226.61.4 07:55, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Done. I have one more that might be a better fit. I also have an improved vermaport photo.(Jay 20:13, 20 March 2006 (UTC))
Thank you very much, I will make the edit as soon as time allows me to. 68.226.61.4 06:05, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Urban stores, need cites

The Similar urban Target stores with their own unique designs exist in... sentence is getting to be very long since I initially wrote it. I do not know if the stores that were added really do exist, nor do I know how remarkable they are. There needs to be a cite referring to each of them. Also, the sentence just looks funny anyways, it might better be represented as a list instead.

The Portland store doesn't sound remarkable enough to mention here, so I might just remove the paragraph. If there is reason to include the factual information in the article, then I will copyedit it. Unless someone beats me to it, I might also write a paragraph on the Atlantic Terminal store, since it is one of the busiest in the corporation. 68.226.61.4 03:18, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I found the one in West Hollywood. I mentioned it before in an archived discussion, I just couldn't remember where it was. [1] [2] [3] [4] 68.226.61.4 03:46, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

The only particularly notable stores would be Atlantic Terminal see photo (volume and location), Hollywood (location and ultra-unique design), and Nicollet Mall (I guess you could call this the flagship store?). I've never heard of the Portland store nor see why it is notable. (Springfield, VA is a mall location see photo that is just as notable) J.reed 04:27, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I found a couple articles on the store in Portland. It seems you submitted before I finished this edit. The second article suggests that it is an urban store however, and the architect is noteworthy. [5] [6] architect 68.226.61.4 05:25, 20 April 2006 (UTC), edited on 68.226.61.4 05:28, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps a paragraph should be added on the architects of these stores. It seems they are worthy of mention, just like Michael Graves is with his respective products that Target carries. I've already cited the website of the architect of the Atlantic Terminal and Stamford, CT stores. 68.226.61.4 05:33, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Update Stores Every Four Months/Expansion

I've removed this note as I do update the store count every THREE months. There are only 3 store opening cycles a year. This allows all employees to be focused on holiday sales and not a store that isn't even open. Also, what are we looking to expand in the Urban Stores section? J.reed 08:33, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Target had approx. only 1/3rd of the stores that it has now during its 'transition period' so I do beleive that will be a little difficult to document. Also, I'm re-writing the opening paragraph at User:J.reed/Sandbox -J.reed 08:52, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
By "transition period", I meant Suso's above comment. I think that user was referring to some transition period that happened in the past, not the present. 68.226.61.4 19:23, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
I meant the update note as a reminder in case one does not. Perhaps it should say to update all of the references that cite from the fact card every time a new one comes out (every month I believe?) and update the URL. The store count is not the only thing it is used for, the demographics paragraph that I wrote in Differentiation also uses it. It also mentions employee count and revenue.
In the urban stores section, I was planning on expanding a bit on the Atlantic Terminal Mall store, since thanks to you we now have an image on it and it is one of the busiest. I am sorry I haven't used it yet, but I have also a source to cite from that explains why that store in particular is so dang busy, etc [7]. Also, I thought a paragraph on the architects that do these buildings would be remarkable. 68.226.61.4 19:13, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


  • I've moved all the urban stores commentary together. I've re-written the urban stores section and plan on inserting it tomorrow. Please view and edit my sandbox in the mean time, please note snd sign your edits at the bottom of the section. (User:J.reed/Sandbox#Urban Stores Draft). I would also hope to visit, within the next two weeks, the Abington Target and re-photograph that while it isn't snowing and I'm not almost crashing into guard rails during the drive there. The architecture of urban stores shouldn't be in this section. The location I work at and other single level non-urban locations may also feature unique designs. J.reed 04:49, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Department store or discount store?

Should the Target Corp. infobox point to department store or discount store? It had been pointing to department store ever since it pointed to anything besides public, and then suddenly last week it was changed to discount store, and without reason either. I know Target combines the two and claims it is a discount department store. However, in my opinion it should point to department store because that article defines what one is better. 68.226.61.4 05:01, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

It looks like the two articles you pointed to contradict each other hence the tag. I say we remove it all together and decide where it belongs by discussing those other articles on their pages. J.reed 06:07, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject: Retailing

Hello, a new WikiProject called Retailing has been created, and we invite anyone who is interested in joining to sign up. If you would like to join it, then list your name on Wikipedia:Wikiproject/List_of_proposed_projects#Retailing. Tuxide 00:32, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Thought I would post here that I've created a draft of the Target Corporation article, mainly for the heck of it. What I did was restructure the contents of the current article into a structure created by WikiProject Retailing that we so far believe is ideal for articles about retailing companies such as this one. From here, we can see that this article lacks a section describing the people in charge of Target Corporation. We might not do anything with it, but feel free to comment on it anyways. Tuxide 06:13, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Forensic Lab "Critics"

From the last edit: "read the sources related to Target Forensic Services. Those sources clearly state that their are critics."

From the reference: "Some people note the possible ethical complexities inherent in Target's tight government relationships. "It is a tricky issue when firms get too close to government," said Ernesto Dal Bó, assistant professor of business and public policy at the Haas School of Business at the University of California at Berkeley. Dal Bó sees such alliances as fraught with potential conflicts, though he cautions against alarm. "There is no reason we need to say that anything bad is happening, but we do need to watch," he said."

The article's past: "Some critics worry that Target and other companies that provide these types of favors for governmental agencies may receive unfair advantages or use their philanthropy to get company special treatment from the government."

At no point are "critics" mentioned. Just one subject who objectively brought up potential problems that could arise simply by calling them "ethitical complexities". If someone would like to reword this reflecting valid information or provide a source that approiately validates the original edit, please do so. J.reed 03:25, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Holiday controversy

The addition of Holiday controversy seems to be very motive-driven to me, since User:CrazyInSane has been involved in numerous issues involving "secularization" (eg. changing BCE to BC). This new addition, while a good one, needs some NPOV-like balance like the other criticisms. It currently makes it sound like "Evil Target... How dare they secularize Christmas... Good thing some decent people set them straight". There's obviously a counter-argument to why retailers are doing this... Not to offend other religions, etc. It's 4:40am in Austria right now, and I'm pretty brain-dead right now, otherwise I'd do the edit myself. -newkai | talk | contribs 02:42, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

What are you talking about?? Perhaps first you should consider WP:FAITH above your personal bias in deciding whether the section is POV. Secondly, you should actually point out the flaws of the addition rather than just saying it is unbalanced and ranting about how I'm being "pro-Christmas" and saying "good thing some decent people set them straight". Your failure to accomplish those two things shows that you have bias on the subject as well. I admit my personal bias (although it shouldn't be a factor) however also assure you that I considered WP:NPOV and wrote in the neutral point of view. Please, explain how this section could possibly be improved, without inserting heresy and original research into the section..? And also, how could there "obviously be a counter-argument" when Target was quick to change their policy without argument?. — `CRAZY`(IN)`SANE` 03:15, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
NPOVness would involve reasoning behind using "holiday" as despite the majority of Targets sales involve customers celebrating Christmas during this time period, there's a certain political correctness motive behind the use of Holiday, which of course is highly debated beyond Target. This is a general trend today, and is not Target-specific. While I see the possibility that you might have "assumed good faith" in adding the content of your edit, that section does not exhibit NPOV. Just the fact that you pipe linked "holiday" to Secularization of Christmas is an example of this. Please don't accuse me in being POV... I have simply questioned the NPOVness of your edit, not changed it to an opposing POV. -newkai | talk | contribs 03:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Understood. We can rid of the "[[Secularization of Christmas|holiday]]" link right now, but if you could lay out all of your proposed alterations I would appreciate it. — `CRAZY`(IN)`SANE` 04:03, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
It would mostly involve an addition/balance about why Target would come up with the idea of secularizing Christmas in the first place. I can add this later today, once I get my WikiSleep. -newkai | talk | contribs 04:07, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I removed a sentence that started "Speculatively, " about why they might be using the word "holiday" a couple of times for the 2006 xmas season. It fails "No original research" and "cite sources", etc. -THB 04:08, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

List of multi level Target stores

Would a list of this type be informative enough to include in Wikipedia? What if it included opening dates? J.reed 03:21, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Thought I'd point out that Wikipedia:Notability (companies and corporations)#Chains and franchises says that a "List of Wal-Marts in Germany" would be informative. Tuxide 03:25, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I've changed that to China since that list would include zero items. Sometimes I feel like its just you and me [usefully] editing Target and Wal-Mart. Does anyone think this list would not be informative and notable? J.reed 03:02, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

"full grocery department"

However, not all SuperTargets feature a full grocery department.[citation needed]

What constitutes "a full grocery department" -- Why does one SuperTarget carry a line of grocery radically different from another SuperTarget to qualify it as not a "full line". I'm not going to bother removing that line again and hitting 3RR, I know someone is going to re-add it anyway. Please cite or give a rational explanation. J.reed 06:16, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree, as it's not too hard to have a "full grocery department", and as far as I'm aware of, all Super Targets feature produce, a bakery, and deli, which is all that's missing for a regular Target to have a "full grocery department". -newkai t-c 06:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I've just realized that the user that added it has been blocked because it was a sock puppet. I've removed the line as per the previous comment agreeing with me and Tuxide's agreement outside of wikipedia. J.reed 06:28, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Is "upscale discount retailing" Target POV?

Just thought I would ask this question here. After doing some research, I have found some reason to believe it is not. I am half-convinced that it is actually a term that is NPOV. What I discovered is that upscale discount retailing is a concept that John Geisse invented while he was employed by the Dayton Company, and that Target was the first upscale discount retailer ever. Another example of such a chain would be Venture. In a nutshell:

Traditional discount retailing
Achieving low prices of their store brand products by making the manufacturing process of their goods as cheap as possible, resulting in lower quality products. Examples are Kmart and Wal-Mart
Upscale discount retailing
Selling higher quality products as low as possible, usually by cutting expenses.

Comments, please? Tuxide 03:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Kmart

I've heard things about Kmart somehow indirectly owning Target, does anyone else know about this? Gopherbassist 15:45, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

What a silly idea, I have also heard things about Target somehow being French-owned. If you really think it's true though, provide a source for us to go off of please. Kmart is Detroit-based, while Target is Minneapolis-based. Kmart's first store launched only 60 days before Target's first store did. To my knowledge, Target Stores has always been a wholly owned subsidiary by its parent (Dayton Hudson or Target Corporation) and has never been sold off to another company. Tuxide 18:16, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Target vending machine (what the heck?)

This is very amusing: A Target vending machine. Does anyone know anything about this, or has seen one? I would be interested in tying it into this article somehow. It appears Target Corporation did this for a year back in 2003. Here is an article about it as well as a page with images of this thing. Tuxide 02:47, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

It just appears to be a normal snack vending machine wrapped in a Target design, according to pictures in your second link. -newkai t-c 22:42, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
In my university, there are vending machines that sell dry goods, such as school supplies and pain killer. I am pretty much convinced that it is not a hoax, although it would be good to see more sources. This thing amusingly reminds me of the iLoo. Tuxide 00:38, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Logo

I've reverted Image:TargetLogo1.png to Image:TargetLogo.png. Image:TargetLogo.png is a higher quality image and represents Target's corporate side more than the consumer. As the article pertains more to the corporation, it seems more appropriate. Objections? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hayfordoleary (talk • contribs).

The Image:TargetLogo1.png is the one featured on its latest quarterly reports on the SEC's website [8]. However, in my opinion the true "corporate" logo is the "Target Corporation" one similar to the one on the upper left of [9], which is not currently uploaded. However, that image has probably not been updated yet ([10] uses the new one), since the "sans-corporation" logo with the really big bullseye has been used on more recent corporate documents, such as [11] and [12]. Tuxide 21:08, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
I think you might be right about the "official" logo being the one with the line and bullseye beneath. It was formerly on the official "about Target" section of the Target site. Regardless, I have no idea where we'd get a sufficiently high quality version of this logo. Sean Hayford O'Leary 15:51, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of the logo, I'd like to see the 1962-1968 logo uploaded onto here. I can expand the history section further if we had it. Tuxide 21:08, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I assume you mean this one? I'll try to find one. Sean Hayford O'Leary 15:51, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Was able to get one off Target's historical timeline. I was able to restore it partially (it was even more severly cropped originally), but it's still somewhat tightly cropped. Both that and an early Dayton logo have been addded to the History section. Sean Hayford O'Leary 18:02, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I went ahead and added a couple sentences ot the history section as I was planning to. Tuxide 02:21, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
I uploaded the "Official" logo. However I do believe this is considered obsolete to the company as I also could not find any corporate documents that display it. Kpeanut 01:15, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Nice...where did you find it? Tuxide 02:21, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
It turns out I had it saved on my computer all along on one of my old performance review Kpeanut 02:38, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

E*Trade ATMS

Some time ago I added:

E*TRADE ATM machines are still found in Super and regular Targets around the country.

and it was removed due to not citing a source. How do I cite something that I've seen in person many times over. -HumanZoom 21:57, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure you cannot, as per WP:NOR. However the main reason that was removed was that the statement was contested to be factually inaccurate. I believe there was once a time when that was true, even after the zone closures, for I have seen them. However, all of the Target stores that I've been in recently that used to have E*TRADE atm machines in them no longer do, or no longer mention E*TRADE anywhere on them. Tuxide 22:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
That or indeed find an article that mentions the ATMs. Tuxide 22:37, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm not mad, and I'm not going to make a big deal out of it, but every Target I have been to prior to the zone closing still have E*TRADE ATMs in them to this date. Now, two brand new Targets were built in my area and they have ATM identical to the ETRADE ones, but they are branded differently to include a red casing and white bullseyes. I guess my biggest complaint was that right above my previous statement in the Super Target section, it says some stores include Jamba Juice or a Wells Fargo Bank. I'm not doubting the validity of that statement, but that doesn't cite sources either and I personally have never seen a Jamba Juice nor a Well Fargo bank in any Target store. I assume a picture of such ATMs constitutes original research and would be count either would it? -HumanZoom 05:51, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Or here...would this count? I cannot provide a direct link, but if you go to ETRADE's web site ATM locator | here and input Plano, TX 75024; eight Target locations will show up within 10 miles. -HumanZoom 06:04, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I have no idea about the Jamba Juice, since it was added very recently. [13] states that that there are only two such stores and this is a test program, so it needs to be clarified. The link you provided is interesting, a query on Omaha Nebraska returns a store that no longer exists. The first such SuperTarget store with an E*TRADE zone was in Atlanta, Georgia. [14] points out that E*TRADE was once the exclusive ATM network for Target stores; however, that was before E*TRADE's current CEO was named, and I can't verify if this is true any more. [15] is an article detailing the launch of the first SuperTarget (in Omaha), which states that it opened with a Norwest bank (now known as Wells Fargo). Tuxide 06:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Assets Protection

The section on Assets Protection because it is highly POV and uncited, and it borders along trade secret violation. What's notable is the mention of Claude Allen, although in the same sense as William Swanberg. Both have their own article. Assets Protection definitely isn't notable enough to have its own section in this article; doing so is like adding one on Cart Attendant, which is flat-out stupid. I am removing this content. Tuxide 06:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

For what it's worth, a neutral point of view could most certainly be achieved through (perhaps much) editing. I don't particularly disagree with removing the particular section you're concerned with... I don't see that it adds a tremendous amount of value to the article at this point. Just remember, always, always, always: WP:FAITH. Justen 08:12, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


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