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[edit] tango to Tango (dance)

Hello 195.92.67.66,

Creating the Tango (dance) page and moving the text from tango was a good idea, but the way you did it you left the page history attached to tango, which is a pity. By the look of it, you copied and pasted the orginal text into a new edit window. If however you had used the Move this page command on the lefthand menu bar, it would have copied both the original tango page and the accompanying history and talk pages to the new destination, a far preferable solution. It would have left a #REDIRECT tag in the original page Tango which you could have edited as you saw fit.

-- Viajero 11:19 24 Jul 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Moving a piece

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  • As a result, the American Tango is believed by some to be inferior, and some American Tango teachers have introduced elements of technique borrowed from the International Tango. In International tango, sequences of figures and even entire dances are choreographed instead of improvised. This makes the dance less dependent on lead-follow technique and allows for more separation between the dancers.

to a more appropriate place, probably to Ballroom dance, since this equally applies to all ballroom dances. Mikkalai 16:56, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] POV

The following piece is POV, while being a chaotic fighting a wrong windmill:

  • While some of the sleezier downtown dance halls served the double purpose of being popular places to find prostitutes, it seems unlikely that the Tango was actually danced in brothels, though this is a common misconception. Because of the shortage of women, in the working-class areas men often danced with other men or with prostitutes.

The real issue not where tango was danced. Of course, it was danced in brothels, just as jitterbug, swing, charleston,polka, can-can, and many other dances. In modern times of "narrow specialists" it could be dificult to imagine that not infrequently brothels could have been "subsidiaries" of multi-profile establishments hostel/tavern/brothel/dance hall. But this is not the real controversy. A significant part of Tango lyrics in these times was about pimps, prostitutes, sex, booze, see e.g., Lunfardo. The question is whether it was a tribute to the exotics of the roots of tango, or it was true reflection of tango "demographics" of the times. Mikkalai 07:29, 8 Jan 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Etymology of Tango

There is a possibility that "tango" may come directly from the Latin "tango" meaning "I touch."

[edit] Edited External links

I'm new to this wiki thing. Just wanted to say, I removed the link to the video just now because it's a 404. :( Perhaps someone knows where it moved to...?

[edit] Some problems in chapter "Argentine Tango (Tango Argentino)"

The biggest part of this chapter is wildly biased. I am missing much objectivity in the comparison between argentine tango and ballroom tango. If noone objects I will move this section to a new headline "differences between argentine tango and ballroom tango", trying to morph it into some more objective comparison... dekay 09:12, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I think this article should be re-reseached all together. The Tango was originated in Andalusian (Spain) and migrated to Argentina in the 1500's. The Argentine Tango is now considered a modified version of the Andalusian Tango which was originated more as a music than a dance. Evidence of this Argentine origin of tango is by the fact that the tango dance is composite of African and European styles of dancing. Most info on this can be found on this website: http://www.streetswing.com/histmain/z3andulz.htm

[edit] Dance etiquette in Argentine tango and ballroom also differs.

What is the etiquette? Whats the difference Jackliddle 18:43, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

In fact is there any? They any pretty polite too me

And the Argentian Tango people seem to think

Jackliddle 19:01, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

There is another part of "etiquette" that applies to the argentine version of the dance. It is based the need not to lose one's honor and mostly applies to asking a partner to dance. For example in argentina there is the "cabeceo" (spelling?), a way of asking with looks only - a way that makes sure you never need to hear a "no" as well as never be seen when you are rehected. Other topics of this "etiquette" are based on how to dance on a crowded floor - basically you never touch another couple on the floor and even if you do you try to recover so that your follower never even notices it - all comes down to providing your partner with the most pleasant dance possible. (reasons for this honor code see tango history, argentina history and latino mentality) ;) dekay 09:52, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

OK I see it like this. Argentinian Tango has this non-verbal communication for requesting/denying dances, International Ballroom Tango doesn't have this. The behaviour on a crowded dance floor seems identical between the two. Jackliddle 13:25, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Removed a POV comment from film list about "Shall We Dance" which stated that the original Japanese version was much better.


Hi, I was under the impression that it was fairly concensus already that tango originated from a mix of Uruguayan and Cubam ilfluences, of which the Cuban influences are from Europe. The European dance was something called contra-dance, or counter-dance, which was practiced in Germany, Franch and even in England.

TP

[edit] PC Woes

This page (along with many of the dance pages) has truly ludicrous politically correct pronoun usage. How about always using the pronoun "he" for the leader and "she" for the companion, and adding a sentence saying something to the effect of: "Pronouns are used merely for placeholding; the dance leader is not always a man, nor the dance partner a woman."? RiseAbove

Except that it is a tradition in dance that the male leads. And it is not nessecary to pander to every permitation of how the dance is performed. It is perfectably understandable as is, and anyone capable of finding this page can use their brain to determine that the dance need not be between a man and a woman

~Annoymous

[edit] 30 beats per minute?

The Ballroom section says something about the meter being set at 30 beats per minute. That sounds agonizingly slow. Could this perhaps be a mistake for 30 bars per minute (i.e., 120 beats per minute)? --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 22:29, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

You are correct: 28 to 32 bars per minute are the speeds for ballroom competitions. dekay 19:03, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tango and Old Spain

I have heard that the Tango is connected to a dance called something like cheeka from Old Spain. If this is true, it may be worth a mention in the article. Eiler7 00:23, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tango and Montevideo

Is there some reliable source for attributing Montevideo on the same level as Buenos Aires in terms of the history of tango? This seems highly counter to the traditional story of tango's origins, and really ought not stand without some references. taion 04:32, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps it's not widely known, as people normally thinks Tango to be only from Buenos Aires, but the truth is that the tango is from the Río de la Plata. Now, I'm not going to discuss whether it was born in Montevideo or Buenos Aires, nor if tango in Argentina is more important than in Uruguay, but no one can deny Uruguay its strong Tango identity. For instance La cumparsita was written by an Uruguayan author (though he then moved to Argentina). Argentina is better known because it had a huge number of artists, and a far bigger market. Many Uruguayan musicians moved to Buenos Aires because they had better chances of success there. All this coming from a proud Argentinian... Mariano(t/c) 10:12, 24 April 2006 (UTC)


I'm Argentinian and I know that tango is a mixture of dances of all the immmigrants Waltz, mazurcas etc, so is possible that Spanish immigrants had influenced, but I'm not sure.

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[edit] Tango-related article deletion

Please vote Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tango.info (2nd nomination). `'mikka (t) 18:47, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Or, since that one is past already, perhaps this one is a better idea now: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tango singers. Note that of course, that this is not an invitation to vote either way.--Pan Gerwazy 03:08, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tango arriving in Europe and America

I'm going to change that statement. I understand that the person that wrote the article might be American, meaning from the United States, so such a statement might have passed him or her by.

But Tango originated in 'America'. Just not 'North America'. :-) The dugout 14:46, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

A clear US bias; well done. Mariano(t/c) 07:45, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
i`m sorry to evry one but tango was originated in cuba
(unsigned comment by 68.164.201.212) 00:54, November 9, 2006


"tango was originated in cuba"

Grammar aside, some elements of Tango certainly came from Cuba, but the dance as a whole. --Antelope In Search Of Truth 03:02, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Need to find some noncommercial pictures

Hello. The pictures of stage dancers gives a misleading idea of tango. How about if we replace them with some informal pictures taken at milongas. There are several people in the US alone who have tango photo galleries; I bet we can get someone to release (GPDL of course) a nice picture or two for Wikipedia. I'll try to get around to it but if someone else gets on it first I won't be upset. Best, 64.48.158.122 06:00, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] REmove link

The link http://www.learning2dance.com/site/?main_page=page&id=11&productId=76 Should be removed. It says the following when you go to the site:

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Thanks, L2D Team.

I belive only free resourses should be linked. Coolest-tech 23:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

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