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For a November 2004 deletion debate over this page see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Tammy Faye Messner

I think this should be rewritten. 95% of this article is based on her experiences on The Surreal Life, which she is definitely NOT most known for. Mike H 06:21, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Why I moved it to "Tammy Faye"

  • Wikipedia:Naming_conventions: Use the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things.
  • "Tammy Faye" Google search on exact phrase 69,300 hits
  • "Tammy Faye Messner" Google search on exact phrase, 4,790 hits
  • As of 2004 it is the form she uses herself, see http://www.tammyfaye.com ;
  • The form "Tammy Faye Messner" is so unfamiliar that people failed to recognize it as notable, with the result that the article was inappropriate listed on VfD.
[[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 15:52, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
She is probably best known as "Tammy Faye Bakker", regardless of whether that's her name anymore or not. Mike H 08:15, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)
Google search on exact phrase "Tammy Faye Bakker" = 1 - 10 of about 12,500 for "tammy faye bakker"
Google search on exact phrase "Tammy Faye" = Results 1 - 10 of about 69,100 for "tammy faye". (0.34 seconds)
Google search on "Tammy Faye" -Bakker (exact phrase "Tammy Faye" without Bakker) = Results 1 - 10 of about 52,900 for "tammy faye" -bakker. (0.64 seconds)
And Tammy Faye Bakker is currently a redirect to Tammy Faye
So I think it's OK. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 14:26, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Google searches aren't everything, you know. You also have to consider what people actually verbally call her. Mike H 03:50, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)
People actually call her "Tammy Faye." It is the name of her website and the name which she uses throughout her website except once in the biography. It is how she "signs" her note to fans on the main page of www.tammyfaye.org. If you like, it's a stage name, one which happens to be part of her real name. It is also a name which anyone looking for her would search by. To name the article anything else would be like insisting that the main article for a famous Hollywood actor be Marion Morrison, or that the main article for a famous magician should be Ehrich Weiss. Furthermore, if you want some other name to be the main name, you are going to have to decide whether to use Tammy Faye Bakker (presumably legal name during the point of her greatest fame), Tammy Faye Messner, or Tammy Faye Bakker Messner.
I think you've got a point, but I think it's likely that people address her in writing in the same manner as in real life. Also, the fact that google searches written media gives us an additional hint: In writing, if Tammy Faye Bakker or Tammy Faye Messner was as common or used, it would likely be listed _along with_ Tammy Faye (e.g. Tammy Faye aka Tammy Faye Bakker). Just a thought. --ABQCat 08:05, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with a redirect to Tammy Faye, because people know her simply by that, but not for article placement. I mean, "Tammy Faye" is not as prevalent as say, Cher or Madonna. Mike H 08:34, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)
I have no opinion on this, but just remember that a Google search for "Tammy Faye" is going to be far inflated, due to irrelevant results that wouldn't be obtained in a search including either last name. Ambi 08:40, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Sure, but "Tammy Faye" -christian -singer -eyes returns only 21,900 hits, meaning that more than half of the articles that mention "Tammy Faye" exact phrase also include "singer" or "christian" or "eyes." I can't believe we're really having a debate about this. "Tammy Faye" is the name by which she is best known, the name her fans use, and the name that she uses herself for everything career-related. The only reason for using something else would be if we had a policy of not using stage names or pen names or pseudonyms, which we don't.
I'm certainly not going to engage in a move war if someone thinks it belongs somewhere else, but I'd dearly like to see how one would choose between "Tammy Faye Bakker," "Tammy Fake Messner," or "Tammy Faye Bakker Messner." Oh, and I'd give a nickel for anyone who can find anyone else arguably named "Tammy Faye" who's encyclopedic enough to require disambiguation. Just look at http://www.tammyfaye.org. (I'm tempted to say Jeez, look at http://www.tammyfaye.org, fa crisesake). [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 13:35, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
P. S. And wouldn't her "real name" actually be Tammy Faye LaValley Bakker Messner? [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 13:46, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Added source

I added a source after the fact, but this article needs sources to cover all the facts. Needs to be fact-checked.--FloNight 22:35, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Missing Critical Information

In the first section about "PTL Club and Scandal" there is no date or even a year for when Tammy Faye and Jim Bakker got divorced. If I remember, that was a pretty big deal at the time.

[edit] Early Life

this section is incomplete, who the hell is Jim? and why did she get kicked out of bible camp? if when she moved to Minnesota she worked in a department store and its so important what department store was it? terrible, just terrible —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Geokaii (talk • contribs) 18:54, 23 January 2007 (UTC).

Please review the following statement found in the early life section:

"A painful divorce spoiled her mother upon other ministers,therefore....."

I am not sure if it means anything. Please correct it or make it more expalnatory, so that it can be easily understood. --Danprem 21:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

There is one more line that could make more sense if rephrased:

"...she felt the glow of God's love and wanted to call herself upon the Lord."

--Danprem 21:25, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

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