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The Japanese edition may have come out in 2003, but the U.S. edition definitely came out in 2004. I picked it up as soon as it came out, and have been playing it obsessively ever since ... maybe somebody can verify the Japanese release date and update the Japanese page? Dbreakey 22:30, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Missing Plot Information

There was a very well done synopsis of the plot of the first disk done yet it is left incomplete, we still need the rest of the game as the reader of this article will be left hanging. If someone could go finish it with the same quality that was used to make the fisrt synopsis it would be much appreciated. Also, if someone could add spoiler warnings in their adequate places it would be of a help for readers who have not yet played the game.

[edit] Note

The following was added on 7-7-2005 by Michael in the "Themes" section: "The analogy of two paralelle worlds originating from one and split asunder by a character from a team of four adventurers might be a reference to the Longest Journey, in which four drakins split a world into two."

[edit] Aerith Trivia

I added the "Aerith" trivia. You think it's reasonable enough? -spotco

[edit] Good job!

Just wanted to compliment you guys for a great article. I remember coming here when all there was was a little stub. It was a pleasant surprise to arrive here now to find a full article! --pie4all88 01:07, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Anytime. :) --Slowking Man 02:38, Sep 6, 2004 (UTC)

This article actually inspired me to add some pictures to articles on other games that I like. :D --pie4all88 03:10, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Hello, I'm writer of Japanese edition. I can't use English well... maybe my comment looks strange English.

This article delights me. Because I'm crazy about this game. I'm very glad that this game was translated into English.--222.147.187.242 14:44, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Voice actors

I reeeeally like the voice acting in this game, and have a pretty good knowledge about the american VAs for this game. Would it be appropriate to add the english voice actors at the end of the character blurbs? (for example, at the end of the explanation of Kratos Aurion I would add "In the english version of this game Kratos' voice is provided by Cam Clarke.") Morwen 18:17, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gamecube, not PS2

Why is this article under PS2 games? It belongs under Gamecube games. Will someone please move this? I'm new to Wikipedia and don't know all the nuances of editing yet. :)Afro Squirrel 8:55, 8 June 2005

Actually, this article belongs in both Category:GameCube games and Category:PlayStation 2 games simply because the game was released for the PS2 in Japan. --TheDotGamer ^Talk 21:09, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

With that the case, shouldn't it be under Gamecube only in en.wikipedia and both in the Japanese section? Laleira Granite 8:27, 28 February 2007

[edit] A lot of spoilers

The article is filled with many spoilers, and there is no notice of it. There are even spoilers about character-specific events that can only be obtained by one character each run through the game. I feel there should be at least a notice, and maybe a minimal section of everything, before going into spoilers. I don't think that when someone wants some information on a game to know what it's like (and hence worth to buy) only to be bombarded with spoilers. BenoitRen 20:32, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Small error

I noticed the article says "Evidence that Tales of Symphonia is a prequel to Tales of Symphonia includes" - clearly an error but I am unsure which is the incorrect usage. Sheikah 01:55, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Someone had already replaced the second Symphonia with Phantasia, so I just added "the following" between 'includes' and the colon. This makes it grammatically correct and better to read. :) I also updated the list of titles with some of the ones I've received in the game. On another note: I have a fan-made AMV of Tales of Symphonia, can I link to it in the article here or should I refrain for this? --Undrhil 07:07, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

agumike Heh....that edit was by me awhile ago, before I made my file

[edit] Clean-up required

The clean-up tag has been enforced as this article contains excess information, fan-cruft, no references and citations, and no fair use rationale attached to the images. —Eternal Equinox | talk 15:20, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree, but don't remove images just because they lack fair use rationale. They're likely to get deleted that way. Please consider replacing the cleanup tag with a more specific one. --Pagrashtak 15:41, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I see no problems with it, except maybe the last comment about Raine. AutomaticMan

Well, the cleanup tag may be a little much in my opinion, but there are parts that could use a little trimming. --Pagrashtak 20:12, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the images again because they require fair use rationale. Until it can be provided, the images should not be displayed in the article. We do not want Wikipedia to be sued now. Please see Wikipedia:Images and Wikipedia:Fair use. Thanks! —Eternal Equinox | talk 19:48, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Just as you don't remove sections of text that need cleanup, you shouldn't remove images just because they lack fair use rationale. By removing them from the article you are making them subject to deletion if they are not used in any other article. You are also removing their visibility, greatly reducing the chance that someone will add the rationale. A few sentences on the image page is not going to be the deciding factor in a potential lawsuit, believe me. Please do not remove the images again; if you care this deeply, why not add the rationale yourself? --Pagrashtak 23:56, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I have allowed five days to pass, and will once again be removing the images. Without copyright rationale, the images should not be displayed on Wikipedia. —Eternal Equinox | talk 14:16, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

A new image has been placed in the article with the appropriate fair use rationale, along with one of the older screenshots. Newer ones will be added with time. —Eternal Equinox | talk 15:37, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sales reference

This article currently list http://www.namco.com as a sales figure reference, but I don't see that information on the front page. Could someone point out the info to me or fix the link if it's wrong? Thanks --Pagrashtak 16:18, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

I referenced the original website because a mirror domain forum of Namco included the sales figure. I don't remember what the forum was now that I've cited Namco, but perhaps it is possible to locate them within the actual website itself. I could be wrong, and if they are not found, a different website may have to be sourced, which would be unfortunate. —Eternal Equinox | talk 19:02, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

I did some searching at the MagicBox, a good source for CVG sales figures, and found a more recent sales figure. --Pagrashtak 20:07, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

All right, excellent discovery. —Eternal Equinox | talk 14:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Themes

Shouldn't we mention sacrifice in this section? It's a major theme in the game. – Iggy Koopa 03:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Character List

The characters section is lovely, but a great deal of the links were leading nowhere, and the ones that lacked a redirect led to page that only included statistics. That information is for wikibooks. It isn't for an encyclopedia attempting to merely include worthy information and anlysis. I'm also wondering if a seperate article should be constructed, as I did for Seven Samurai 20XX.

This article seems to have a focus point on character development and plot, so making such a article where whe can insert such things for absolute inclusion seems logical. -Zero^Talk 19:54, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect

Llyod Irving and Zelos Wilder shouldn't redirect here-they need their own articles. - Merlin Storm

Since they only appear in one game, there isn't a very compelling argument for giving them dedicated articles. A Characters of Tales of Symphonia article could be split off if the section gets too large, but there's no need for individual character articles here. Pagra shtak 04:33, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I think both Lloyd and Zelos appear in Tales of the World as well. --Nin 10:12, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Mostly every Tales character appears in the spin off Tales of the World series. A general list of characters is fine. ShiningStorm 22:13, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Choice of the Name, Martel, deliberate?

I've been doing some research on Akkadian (Ancient Babylonian) for a little story I've been writing and came across something I thought interesting. Mart means Daughter in Akkadian. With El meaning God, Martel thus means Daughter of God, just as Babel means Gate of God. Interesting, isn't it? Do you think it could be deliberate? Wolf ODonnell 16:15, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Sylvarant and Tethe'alla articles....

Hey, just seen there that someone changed it so that if you go to either Sylvarant or Tethe'alla that it directs you to this article. I think the history in these articles has some use. I do think though that they may not deserve their own article, but what about adding it to this article? i didn't see it there when i checked... Thanks!

[edit] Martel is Definitely not a Villain

Why is she in that section? I would've fixed it myself but I'm unsure as to where I should put her. – Iggy Koopa 22:13, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Split

Comeon guys, those Character and Plot sections are HUGE. They need to be relocated elsewhere. Also, the main characters have their own articles, so a lot of that is just repeated information.--SeizureDog 10:32, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and did a rough split myself. Someone can clean it up better.--SeizureDog 08:26, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Wow, that's infinitely better. Many thanks. Patrician Vetinari 20:34, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Anime and manga

With the anime style of the video game, as well as the cutscenes, plus an upcoming OVA set for 2007, this particular game in the Tales series is now covered by the Anime and manga WikiProject. --Geopgeop 18:32, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Areas and Races

I think there should be a section giving the different areas, (cities, towns, villages, dungeons, etc) of ToS, Baten Kaitos has one, and the different races of ToS as well, like Bleach (anime). ToSfan4ever 16/08/06

[edit] Errors

I quote:

Characters gain an additional defense called Guardian, which defends against magical attacks.

and

Receiving damage fills the Unison Meter; when filled completely, a Unison Attack can be triggered.

The errors in bold;

Not all of the characters gain "guardian". Even though the technique is the same, it's called "Force Field" in the case of Genis And Raine Sage. This is only one example. I don't exactly know all of the seperate defensive teqniques' names, but it would be good if someone can change this.
The Unison gauge fills up by hitting an enemy when it's not guarding.
I think this "meter" is actually called the Unison gauge, as can be read in the explanation about Unison attacks received after a short skit between Lloyd and Kratos. --Nin 10:10, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

The defensive technique is called Damage Guard for Colette, Bastion for Regal, Earthly Protection in Presea's case, and Sheena's is Guardian Seal. 64.231.125.225 20:49, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plot info?

What happened to all of the information that was at Tales of Symphonia/Detailed Plot Outline? Now we have a stupid "expand pls" tag when there was too much information as it was in the old plot outline. How annoying >:| --SeizureDog 00:52, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

The old plot outline was a copyright violation and was deleted. Pagra shtak 02:25, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Boohiss. How frustrating. --SeizureDog 19:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is this notable (music-related)?

Some of the music in Symphonia is similar to music in Phantasia.

The music that plays in Symphonia when the party is flying the Rheiards is almost the same as the music that plays in Phantasia when the party is flying the Techbirds, but with a different intro.
The music that plays in Tethe'alla's forests in Symphonia is similar to the music that plays in Treantwood in Phantasia.
The tune of the music that plays when the party is fighting Summon Spirits in Symphonia is the same as the Summon Spirit battle music from Phantasia (though this is probably the most obvious for those who have played both games, or at least it was for me).
The victory themes for both Symphonia and Phantasia have the same intro, but the rest is different.

This article doesn't have a trivia section, so I don't know where to put this (I don't think music is notable enough to put in the section regarding links to Phantasia).

--Evice 21:34, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Longest Storyline? (Correct me if I'm wrong)

I do believe, please correct me if Im wrong, that this game has the longest storyline out of any video game. The 80 hour storyline seems to be unmatched by any other game I've seen.

--Randompersonn 19:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

It only took me 42 hours on my first playthrough, and that was with a fair amount of sidequests. I've played many RPGs that took me longer. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.231.125.225 (talk) 20:51, 21 February 2007 (UTC).

Someone needs to post on how to get to Niflhiem.-Those Debate Studs

[edit] OVA Link

here i have the ova trailer-ish link, someone please add to the wiki http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVq9GtXoYzw (KratosAurion)

[edit] Yuan

Would it be appropriate to give Yuan his own page? He has only a small mention in the Allies section here, but it seems odd that Botta and Pronyma have pages and he doesn't. IMFromKathlene 20:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Yuan did have his own page, but it was turned into a redirect by Pagrashtak. I'm not sure why this occured, but I do believe that Yuan should have his own page. Patrician Vetinari 00:43, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Do you think it'd be appropriate to revert it to its previous page? I'd do it but I don't actually know how to revert pages ><.IMFromKathlene 06:16, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

It's probably not a bad idea. Does anyone has any objections...? Patrician Vetinari 14:21, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't look like it. Also, it seems odd that Regal's the only playable character without his own page. I'm not sure if he is notable enough to deserve one, since he is probably the one with the least backstory (and he's probably the least liked, though he might have competition from Colette). IMFromKathlene 03:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I've reverted the Yuan page back. As for Regal, I don't think he's important enough to deserve his own page. All in all, he's not a very interesting character, and he doesn't have a very interesting past. I think giving him a section of the List of characters in Tales of Symphonia page is enough. Patrician Vetinari 03:44, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. There's nothing else to cover than what's on that page, really.IMFromKathlene 18:16, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) for an explanation of why Yuan (and many other related articles for that matter) should not be a stand-alone article. My apologies for the late reply; I've been away for some time. Pagra shtak 20:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Given the guidelines for fiction notability, any objections to changing Yuan back to a redirect? Pagra shtak 00:29, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

As long as the information about Yuan from that separate page is on the redirected page and the redirect actually points somewhere it's fine by me. Previously he had a really short mention and the #Yuan part didn't seem to point anywhere. IMFromKathlene 09:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Then I suggest you copy anything over you want to save. I don't see too much there after removing non-encyclopedic content (such as the entire Boss Battle section). The same goes for Botta and other minor characters. Pagra shtak 21:55, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Manga

I've seen images of a Tales of Symphonia manga series. Does anyone know if it's still on-going? I've heard recently that the fourth volume has just come out. Should this be included into the article (that there is a manga)?

If I remember correctly, there was no manga on this series yet, but they are making an anime on this. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Q E11even 03:08, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

There is a manga. Check it out here: [1]. It looks like it's still on-going though. 142.58.79.2 21:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, I stand corrected but happy. Q E11even 00:27, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

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